Career as Teacher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

3500 is more like what ladies (2nd upper or 2nd lower I think) get, without the usual 1 year contract teaching experience (e.g. if you are a returning scholar/award holder with a bachelor's degree).

If you are male with first class honours, and get C/C+ consistently, you should breeze past the 5k mark as you go into your third year of service. Otherwise maybe you need a change of environment because either your mentors/RO/school environment are not nurturing, not pushing you for career advancement, or you're not performing up to expectations.

What is the pay differential between a male teacher and female teacher? I know there's a difference at the point of starting work, but does this persist throughout? I.e. is the increment for male teachers always higher than females?

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What is the pay differential between a male teacher and female teacher? I know there's a difference at the point of starting work, but does this persist throughout? I.e. is the increment for male teachers always higher than females?

Increment is the same. Based on merit and not gender difference. The original 'gender difference' is only to cater for the '2 years' lost by the males for females who are of his age. i.e. a 24 yo male just grad from NIE should be on par with a 24 yo female who has grad from NIE for 2 years. Not that it will be a dollar to dollar comparison but that is the so called 'NS increment' to the starting salary.

Other than that, CPE, work performance etc, will all affect your pay. The faster you promote because of the previously mentioned, of course the higher the pay, no matter the gender.

Hi, will career progression be faster when you apply to go to HQ?

Not that you are 'selected' to enter, but you tried in open posting and got selected.

Many people enter the HQ/being selected to go into HQ are already holding KPs positions. What about those who enter after seconded to independent schools as their first school.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi, will career progression be faster when you apply to go to HQ?

Not that you are 'selected' to enter, but you tried in open posting and got selected.

Many people enter the HQ/being selected to go into HQ are already holding KPs positions. What about those who enter after seconded to independent schools as their first school.

It always appear that officers who went to HQ progress faster in their career but this is not exactly true. The real reason is HQ only takes in officers with a certain minimum CEP. If you are successful in getting a stint in HQ through either facilitated or open posting, it suggests that your CEP is above average. Thus, it will appear that you will progress faster. But the fact is even if u have stayed in sch, u will also progress at similar speed as u already have above average CEP.

Next, some divisions and branches are involved in many policy work and thus naturally, they will need to recruit officers who have already shown certain level of leadership. Thus, it’s also very normal to see that many in HQ were already KPs. Nonetheless, there are still roles for officers who are not KPs. HQ is a place to groom leaders too.

There is no discrimination on whether an officer’s first stint was from an independent sch or not. As long as the officer has proven to be capable, he/she stands to score a chance to work in HQ.

I notice that many MOE teachers brazenly advertise their tuition services online. Isn't that a breach of civil service regulations - no external employment or freelancing?

[JustAnotherPrimaryTeacher]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I notice that many MOE teachers brazenly advertise their tuition services online. Isn't that a breach of civil service regulations - no external employment or freelancing?

Hi. I'm guessing you are not from MOE, hence unfamiliar with the directives.

MOE teachers are allowed to give private tuition. There is a directive which will guide the teachers in terms of the factors to consider, professionalism, the number of hours etc. Hence this is unlike the standard 'civil service regulations'.

But if they are working in a tuition centre where they receive a monthly salary and not the private engagement kind (collective website or other means), that will be considered freelancing/external employment.

In short, not breaching civil service regulations, but there are guidelines to adhere to (not going into whether they have been adhered to or not)

Hi everyone, brief history.

I used to be a pri sch teacher for 12 years. Clean record, no discipline issues.
However, last year I was riled up by a pupil. I lost control and flipped his table in front of the class.
Immediately this was brought up to MOE HQ.

In summary, the case took very long to be resolved. The uncertainty of the outcome
Affected my daily work and I resigned.

Now with a major supermarket chain as a sales manager for groceries dept for a year plus already.

I still want to go back to teaching but I don't know if I am on MOE's blacklist as I used to have a case.
My case has been closed as I got a call from MOE informing me of the outcome in Oct 2019.

Can anyone help with my queries? Thank you.

Anyone knows how long does it normally takes for an average performer to promote from GEO3 to GEO4? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Anyone knows how long does it normally takes for an average performer to promote from GEO3 to GEO4? Thanks.

Depends on your CEP and whether you kena any C- or D.

Fastest 1 year, longest really depends...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Depends on your CEP and whether you kena any C- or D.

Fastest 1 year, longest really depends...

The author mentioned average performer, so definitely not 1 year.

I would say that it would take on average 3 years for C graders.