Career as Teacher

I see. how is your CEP determined? Is it dependent on your annual Performance Grading? So you'll need to get majority Bs in the past few years to qualify? By supt, do you mean the principal or just your reporting officer? Thanks lots for the detailed reply!

Originally Posted by HQ Posting

To qualify for the tea session, you need
1. Have high CEP
2. At times, for certain openings, you need to be recommended by your Supt.

Questions asked vary as the interviewers are not the same. Placement on an accelerated progression track is not 100% true become the incoming officers are already deemed to be of higher potential before going into HQ.

There are also different tea sessions.
For some of my friends after the tea session, they get posted to divisions where some of the openings can be advertised on APEX. These are the people who get called up by HR but may not be necessarily recommended by Supts. Nonetheless, their CEP is on the higher side.

My tea session was slightly different because the openings are not found in APEX. (There are some divisions that are more 'atas' than others, I supposed) My supt recommended me and during the tea session, everyone (about 5 of us) got a placement in the division because I supposed the director trusted the recommendation of Supts.

Hey guys, I have been in the service for 5 years. I got promoted to geo3 after two years and have been in this grade since. I have been getting C all this while, despite working my life away and planning successful and engaging department and level events. Didn't even managed to get a c+ after all this work. Is this normal or am I at a slower progression rate? How long does it usually take for a geo3 to move up to geo4?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I see. how is your CEP determined? Is it dependent on your annual Performance Grading? So you'll need to get majority Bs in the past few years to qualify? By supt, do you mean the principal or just your reporting officer? Thanks lots for the detailed reply!

CEP is your Current Estimated Potential which is the position you would attain by the time you retire. You will not know your CEP as it is determined by the ranking panel in your schools. Some schools are afraid of raising the CEP of their officers because there are repercussions. If an officer's CEP is raised and given more opportunities and he/she does not perform up to expectations, the ranking panel will need to drop his/her CEP. When one's CEP is being dropped, promotion will halt as well. (halt for how many years, I am not sure. HR has a formula though)

For many schools, the default CEP for teachers is at the HOD level. But to go into HQ, your CEP cannot be at the HOD level. It needs to be higher, say at the P level. This means the ranking panel in your school must agree to raise your CEP. Reason being, there is no reason HQ would want to develop an officer whose CEP is at HOD level, given that there are so many teachers with similar CEP.

CEP, together with favorable performance grade will result in faster promotion.

Supt = superintendent which is the RO of your P and VP. For my HQ posting, my P's recommendation needs to be endorsed by my supt before I go for my tea session.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hey guys, I have been in the service for 5 years. I got promoted to geo3 after two years and have been in this grade since. I have been getting C all this while, despite working my life away and planning successful and engaging department and level events. Didn't even managed to get a c+ after all this work. Is this normal or am I at a slower progression rate? How long does it usually take for a geo3 to move up to geo4?

Are u a male or female? For some reason females are promoted slower...

Can anyone share based on current pay level, what is the max salary and rank a teacher can progress to assuming I just want to concentrate on teaching and not interested in things like HOD or VP?

I am interested in teaching (with the usual admin & customer service) only and honestly not going to play office politics to be VP or Principal. But at the same time I also need to weigh my options compared to the private sector in terms of future pay progression.

Thanks.

Eh... from my experience, default CEP for new officers is to cap at GEO5 (teacher level). One increase will only bring you to the SH/LH level... which I think suffices for you to get a HQ posting (but no experience as a RO here, so just guessing).

Originally Posted by HQ Posting

For many schools, the default CEP for teachers is at the HOD level. But to go into HQ, your CEP cannot be at the HOD level. It needs to be higher, say at the P level. This means the ranking panel in your school must agree to raise your CEP. Reason being, there is no reason HQ would want to develop an officer whose CEP is at HOD level, given that there are so many teachers with similar CEP.

Someone shared this awhile ago - not sure if it's been updated since.

p.s. for teachers without any official appointments, salary grade will cap at GEO5.

GEO1 (Untrained): ? (non-graduates start here)
GEO (Trained): 1600 - 2730
GEO2 (Untrained): 2000-4340 (graduates start here)
GEO2 (Trained): 2538-4500
GEO3: 3515 -5616
GEO4: 4545-7271
GEO5: 4903-7845 (max salary grade for standard teacher)
SEO1: 5651-9064 (min. LH/SH/ST)
SEO2: 7236-10766 (min. HOD/LT)
SEO3: 8748-11232 (+9%?) (min. HOD/MT)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can anyone share based on current pay level, what is the max salary and rank a teacher can progress to assuming I just want to concentrate on teaching and not interested in things like HOD or VP?

I am interested in teaching (with the usual admin & customer service) only and honestly not going to play office politics to be VP or Principal. But at the same time I also need to weigh my options compared to the private sector in terms of future pay progression.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by HQ Posting

CEP is your Current Estimated Potential which is the position you would attain by the time you retire. You will not know your CEP as it is determined by the ranking panel in your schools. Some schools are afraid of raising the CEP of their officers because there are repercussions. If an officer's CEP is raised and given more opportunities and he/she does not perform up to expectations, the ranking panel will need to drop his/her CEP. When one's CEP is being dropped, promotion will halt as well. (halt for how many years, I am not sure. HR has a formula though)

For many schools, the default CEP for teachers is at the HOD level. But to go into HQ, your CEP cannot be at the HOD level. It needs to be higher, say at the P level. This means the ranking panel in your school must agree to raise your CEP. Reason being, there is no reason HQ would want to develop an officer whose CEP is at HOD level, given that there are so many teachers with similar CEP.

CEP, together with favorable performance grade will result in faster promotion.

Supt = superintendent which is the RO of your P and VP. For my HQ posting, my P's recommendation needs to be endorsed by my supt before I go for my tea session.

Not too sure if this is true. There are many HQ postings and I don’t think all the postings requires one to have a CEP of VP or P. The number of HQ postings far exceeds the number of schools we have. So I don’t think those who wants to go HQ must have CEP of VP/P

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i honestly think that the government has to increase the pay for teachers. the current pay is way too low to attract talent

if you look annual remuneration package, that includes the bonuses (year-end, mid-year, performance bonus and 13th mth) it's close to 4-5months already.

starting (post NIE) salary from 3500 onwards (depending if served NS), it's very decent i have to say...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

if you look annual remuneration package, that includes the bonuses (year-end, mid-year, performance bonus and 13th mth) it's close to 4-5months already.

starting (post NIE) salary from 3500 onwards (depending if served NS), it's very decent i have to say...

I guess the person wasn’t referring to starting salary. Perhaps it is the stagnant salary of those who stayed for 5-10 years. Salary hovers abt 5-6k when peers in private sector are getting 7-8k.