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Old 16-12-2022, 08:33 PM
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Just curious if other jobs in the civil service are as demanding as a teacherís job? Do they need to work in the evenings and on weekends as well?
For similar pay ranges, it's quite common to have to take significant amounts of work home. I'm a teacher myself but I don't exactly envy my peers in some other ministries, at least those who aspire to climb the ladder. If you want to 'quiet quit' you can do it, but if you want to climb it's the same old s**t again: work above your paygrade, get appointed to positions but have to wait for a few years to get the promotion in subgrade, etc etc. This disease is not confined to MOE, it's a civil service wide practice.

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For similar pay ranges, it's quite common to have to take significant amounts of work home. I'm a teacher myself but I don't exactly envy my peers in some other ministries, at least those who aspire to climb the ladder. If you want to 'quiet quit' you can do it, but if you want to climb it's the same old s**t again: work above your paygrade, get appointed to positions but have to wait for a few years to get the promotion in subgrade, etc etc. This disease is not confined to MOE, it's a civil service wide practice.
I guess it is more of the local working culture. Itís not just the teaching profession that is challenging nowadays.

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For similar pay ranges, it's quite common to have to take significant amounts of work home. I'm a teacher myself but I don't exactly envy my peers in some other ministries, at least those who aspire to climb the ladder. If you want to 'quiet quit' you can do it, but if you want to climb it's the same old s**t again: work above your paygrade, get appointed to positions but have to wait for a few years to get the promotion in subgrade, etc etc. This disease is not confined to MOE, it's a civil service wide practice.
Pardon me, but whatís the disease? Working hard and getting promoted sounds standard

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Pardon me, but whatís the disease? Working hard and getting promoted sounds standard
Working hard in a management appointment but waiting for years and years to get promoted to your estab grade while collecting miniscule increments along the way.
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Working hard in a management appointment but waiting for years and years to get promoted to your estab grade while collecting miniscule increments along the way.
Isnít this the same in other CS jobs?
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Isnít this the same in other CS jobs?
Are you illiterate?

from the earlier comment: "This disease is not confined to MOE, it's a civil service wide practice."
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Old 17-12-2022, 11:25 AM
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Isnít this the same in other CS jobs?
And you think it is okay to pay someone at a non-management salary scale while they work a management position?
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And you think it is okay to pay someone at a non-management salary scale while they work a management position?
You know what, having worked in the civil service since graduation, my initial though was, "Yeah, isn't that the norm? Just wait a few years and your salary will catch up."

But yes, my understanding is that in the private sector, your pay doesn't take so long to catch up (if there's any wait at all).
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You know what, having worked in the civil service since graduation, my initial though was, "Yeah, isn't that the norm? Just wait a few years and your salary will catch up."

But yes, my understanding is that in the private sector, your pay doesn't take so long to catch up (if there's any wait at all).
Exactly. It's not even 'a few years'. For example, in the context of the Education Officers scheme, we have GEO4 officers holding positions which are SEO2 estab (such as HOD). Most people in this thread will know how long it takes to go from GEO4 to SEO2. Not to mention that this person is more than likely to have direct reports drawing a higher salary. It's absolutely bananas that your pay is correlated more strongly with age/YOE than anything else, including the impact of your work.
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Exactly. It's not even 'a few years'. For example, in the context of the Education Officers scheme, we have GEO4 officers holding positions which are SEO2 estab (such as HOD). Most people in this thread will know how long it takes to go from GEO4 to SEO2. Not to mention that this person is more than likely to have direct reports drawing a higher salary. It's absolutely bananas that your pay is correlated more strongly with age/YOE than anything else, including the impact of your work.
What's ridiculous is that in private sector, remuneration is based on one's appointment, less so on pay grades.

A person working in the capacity of HOD will be paid a HOD salary, not an exec's salary. Yet we see people taking on appointments 2-3 pay grades higher on top of their normal work, while drawing a low pay.

And salary increments can increase by 10-20% jumping across companies. It is also possible to negotiate one's salary.

This is not possible in CS. Jumping across ministries or stat boards usually see a pay cut. And there is no room to negotiate for salaries. You either take whatever salary HR offers, and don't take the job.
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