What is your subgrade pls?

oh boy. get ready for a wild ride.

If one's salary is at geo 3 ceiling already, how many more years does one have to wait for be promoted to geo 4 with C grading?

Tell me more. Scare off an aspiring teacher if you would like

Wait till your school push you for promotion.
If not continue to stagnant.

The advice is for you to not to go into teaching blindly out of what one deems as his or her passion or for the money, which at $3k+ is no doubt very attractive with the current events. Nobody know nobody here but depending on who you are and your backgound, your experience as a teacher can turn out to be great or downright shitty.

While more stellar candidates are being selected to teach, it doesnt mean that all of them survive for long either. There are cases of ex-students of top sec schs and JCs with good degrees, posted to neighbourhood schools, and for lack of a clearer term, end up quitting during practicum / a year into service because they found the students too dumb for someone of their calibre. With stellar backgrounds, grades and ability to convince interviewers about their passion to teach, getting the job wasn't difficult, but ultimately, passion alone didnt suffice. LIquidated damages are around $100k btw, and higher for BA programme.

You cant choose a specific school or the background of your students. You can't choose who their parents are or their life experiences. This is just about students, you still have colleagues, bossess, parents, outsiders, etc

So, dont go in with your eyes closed or believing moe recruitment ads wholesale.

Try relief teaching in a few schools first. If you like it, apply for a teaching position. If relief teaching is hell, then turn, run away and dont look back.

Practicum is the most basic thing a teacher must be able to do. Usually if fail, you are allowed to redo at a different school, but salary is suspended. If fail again, you will be dismissed and must payback the LD. Even teachers recruited from overseas have failed their practicum and had to go back to their home country, with a huge LD debt.

Hi, would like to ask how long does it take females to promote from GEO 2 to GEO 3?

sure anot?

Or until hr thinks you have stagnant long enough.. I have heard of people who are geo 3 even at their 8/9th year...

Till then reached ceiling means no increment.. Of cos sure.

Male pgde. Got my confirmation and batch promotion to geo3 after 1 year in service. Increment of 602, including MI. is this the usual amount we get promoted to geo3?

Sounds reasonable. 602 is quite significant

Each jump in geo is almost same as 1 year merit increment.
Had you not jump grade. Ur mi is about 200-250 nia.
The grade jump provided you another 350-400.

But do note the purpose of grade jump also opens a higher ceiling for your salary.
Had you hentak kaki at geo2 for v long then will reach the ceiling of geo2 in due time.

Overall you are doing v well. In this trying times people losing their job, pte tutors eating wind. To have a 602 increment is very good. Continue the hard work. And see you at GEO4 in a few years

Stuck
 

Yes. I was stuck at geo3. Eventually I quit.

Agree with the next post that you are having a good increment. Congrats! Meanwhile, i am still waiting eagerly for the increment for GEO3 to 4 to be updated!

You can check on hrms online. Download your cv. Everything has been updated :)

Ah nice, thanks for sharing!

Hiaz life so hard now for aspiring teachers

why is that so?

Geo2
C-:
C:
C+:$60 (prorated)
B:
A:

Geo3
C-:
C: 175
C+: $175- $176
B: $210-$211
A: $234

Geo4
C-:
C: $192
C+: $192
B: $245-$260
A: $325

Geo5
C-:
C:
C+: $184-$216
B: $236-$246
A:

Seo1
C-:
C: $305
C+:
B:
A: 498

Seo2
C-:
C:
C+:
B:
A:

Seo3
C-:
C:
C+:
B:
A

how long were u stuck for.. what kind of grades did u get

dont seem to see the extra mi. geo3 to geo4, b, but 200 raise so far

Will there be anymore salary adjustments for people who get promoted?

Give and take la.
Some year get increment some year low.

Can't expect 500,,600,800,1k,1.2k increment each year la

It’s updated on hrms, but not on pac gov so far. Check there.

Promoted to GEO 4 from 3, total increase in salary (including MI of 200 for a B grade) is less than 500 total. Sian.

Is the increment from 3 to 4 less than 300 usually, or is this just a really crappy year?
I guess in this current climate, just lucky to have a meaningful job lol.

Geo2
C-:
C:
C+:$60 (prorated)
B:
A:

Geo3
C-:
C: 175
C+: $160- $176
B: $210-$211
A: $234

Geo4
C-:
C: $182-192
C+: $192
B: $245-$260
A: $325

Geo5
C-:
C:
C+: $184-$216
B: $236-$246
A:

Seo1
C-:
C: $289-305
C+:
B:
A: 498

Seo2
C-:
C:
C+:
B:
A:

Seo3
C-:
C:
C+:
B:
A

Last year also less than 500.

Salary Scale Updated!!
 

Hey guys, pac@gov has updated the salary scale for all promotees!

Increment dependent on performance and cep. Geo 3 to 4: 544

there will be pay cut in June . Announced by NWC last week.

Any source? I thought that is just a suggestion?

What perf grade did u get? How fast did u get promoted from GEO 3 to 4?

Query about CEP
 

hi all (esp ROs)

i'm a GEO 4 officer and here is my career history. i'm a guy, degree from NUS, 2nd class upper.

Jun 2014: graduated NIE.
2014 grade: C+
Oct 2015: GEO3
2015 grade: C
2016 grade: B
2017 grade: B
Apr 2018: GEO4
2018 grade: B
2019 grade: B

end-2019, got a mandatory posting to hq. started this year. last yr i found out by accident from my previous sch that my CEP is SEO1. i have nv held a KP position before. was a little disappointed tbh.

just wondering:
- at my current stage of career, is it likely that my CEP will be raised further?
- when can i reasonably expect a promotion to GEO5 if my CEP is not raised?

i'm just thinking of all of this because i think i'm an okay performer, but so far not much luck career-wise. bosses are okay with me but no principal/leader has really paid attention to me at work. thinking that once the economy improves, i'll seek greener pastures but i also enjoy the work of a teacher.

appreciate any advice. tks!

Wow, is that for last yr or this yr? My increment from GEO3 to 4 is 485 this year.

B. Spent 1 yr 6 months as a GEO 3.

My perspective as a HOD (and former HQ officer):

The fact that you're doing a mandatory posting in HQ is a good sign already. Entry level EO roles at HQ are generally SEO1 'estab', so it's equivalent to doing SH/LH role in school. If you manage another B (or C+), think GEO5 would probably come soon enough.

That said, keep in mind that ranking at HQ tends to be more competitive (you are compared against other high-performing officers) and it would be harder to get B. Still, if your bosses value your work, your CEP might possibly go up another notch. You'll likely need to head some project teams while at HQ for this to happen, though.

If you stay on with MOE, after your HQ stint you are likely to be able to secure a SH/LH position when going back out to school (HOD is possible; but rarer if you've not been appointed KP previously).

--

Just to comment on your previous 'B' streak in school - despite what your comment, I think that is a very positive sign, as it implies that your RO/HOD actively helped to push for that grade, ultimately with the endorsement of school leaders. Even if it might not have seemed like P had taken notice of you, he/she clearly supported designating you as high-performing staff.

If CEP had been raised to SEO1 level, this is another good sign. Teachers start with GEO5 CEP by default. Someone had to actively suggest your CEP to be moved up - and P would have had to endorse it. Very few non-KP (maybe 1-2 in a school) would have CEP higher than SEO1. Even SEO1 CEP would not be all that common.

In summary: if you truly enjoyed working as a teacher, please don't be discouraged by what you perceive as poor career advancement. I think you're doing pretty well already!

p.s. If you're feeling discouraged in the future and feel comfortable enough doing so, I also suggest having a frank discussion about these matters with your RO. I learnt a lot discussing such matters with my DD (a former VP). Recognise that this depends on the type of ppl your bosses are, of course.

I was a PLT leader in 2 of those years. Forgot which years... still C

hi all, would like to see advice on the mandatory hq posting. Could fellow colleagues with experience in the above advise on how such officers are selected? I have seen cases where teachers (there are local scholars and some others are not scholars at all) who get called for such in their 4th or 5th year, after getting mostly C+ and B grades, but people who get C+, B, and A grades, some holding SH positions already, still remaining in school after 6-7 years. Is there any selection criteria for such postings, above just ranking grades? thanks!

stagnant
 

May i ask how long is an officer allowed to stay in a certain grade?

Stay till you hit the ceiling