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Old 18-01-2016, 02:25 AM
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Problem with anonymity is that anyone can make unjustified claims.

Do you know that Worker Party's Low Thia Khiang worked as a teacher?
How many can make it as an MP?
So? 1 dude from 80+ MPs? The rest are lawyers, engineers, doctors.

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Another food for thought:
Do you have any idea who are part of this tuition industry?
If MOE teachers really are part of the tuition industry then it is an unethical disgrace. You are perpetuating a system whereby only the rich can afford a good education. You are supposed to be the stewards of meritocracy and to make sure every child gets an equal start. Yet you prostitute yourself for money. MOE teachers already earn much more than most fresh grads at 3.5k.

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One has to be 'noble' to be a teacher because there are many ungrateful individuals who benefited from our education system and yet do not know how to appreciate the system.
Sorry, I don't buy this line of BS. Coming from a neighbourhood school, I've seen how teachers simply do not do their job, especially when it comes to NA/NT kids. Why? Just like the recent bullying case. Student gets bullied with a teacher in the class doing nothing about it. Benefit from the system? There is just as many students who got bullied and traumatised in school but totally ignored by those that are supposed to create a safe space for them. I can say, I don't appreciate the MOE system at all. I only fell in love with education at the local university level. Which thankfully, MOE teachers do not teach at.

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So? 1 dude from 80+ MPs? The rest are lawyers, engineers, doctors.


If MOE teachers really are part of the tuition industry then it is an unethical disgrace. You are perpetuating a system whereby only the rich can afford a good education. You are supposed to be the stewards of meritocracy and to make sure every child gets an equal start. Yet you prostitute yourself for money. MOE teachers already earn much more than most fresh grads at 3.5k.



Sorry, I don't buy this line of BS. Coming from a neighbourhood school, I've seen how teachers simply do not do their job, especially when it comes to NA/NT kids. Why? Just like the recent bullying case. Student gets bullied with a teacher in the class doing nothing about it. Benefit from the system? There is just as many students who got bullied and traumatised in school but totally ignored by those that are supposed to create a safe space for them. I can say, I don't appreciate the MOE system at all. I only fell in love with education at the local university level. Which thankfully, MOE teachers do not teach at.
As much as i want to have a meaningful debate,
it would probably not be possible since
you compared the salary of teachers in general with fresh graduates;
of course the latter will be lower.

Another point you may want to take note is that the universities is also part of MOE;
We have 2 acting Ministers of Education; do you have any idea what is their portfolios?

Rather than be thankful to teachers who helped you make it to university, you ended up as an ungrateful individual, which you admitted, who probably thinks you made it through your own efforts alone.

Good luck in life with your way of thinking.

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talk so much general rubbish in the end nobody can even answer simple questions on pay, bonus and increments. are any of u even moe teachers in the first place?

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Has anyone who applied in the last window of 2015 (interview Nov) received anything?
MOE says it is in the stages of finalising. Isn't it a little late because by the time these applicants end their contract teaching stint (minimum 6 months), they would not make it for the June NIE intake?
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Has anyone who applied in the last window of 2015 (interview Nov) received anything?
MOE says it is in the stages of finalising. Isn't it a little late because by the time these applicants end their contract teaching stint (minimum 6 months), they would not make it for the June NIE intake?
One year contract is the norm.

Seen two fch teachers did contract for a full one year recently
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If you are aiming to become HOD or VP in the future then you need consistent B- to B+ with the occasional A- performance.

Generally it is almost impossible to get this sort of rating unless you take up a lot of additional projects with increased visibility or have prominent nation wide achievements in building up some sort of CCA. In short, be prepared for lots of OT and weekend burns.

Teaching alone is probably going to get you mostly C/C+ with an occasional B- or B and that is only if you are really good.

Before you get all pumped up wanting to be superscale principal, I advise you to consider whether the long hours and playing politics are worth it. There are many people who burn countless weekends and midnights and all they could get in the end was just a subject head or HOD whose pay is only slightly higher than an experienced senior teacher.
There is no A- or B- in the appraisal process. To take on leadership position, one is assessed based on your CEP and ability to take on more responsibilities at a higher level... and this is done via various platforms such as being a level coordinator / ic of certain event. and no it's not based on the number of As and Bs one gets.
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One year contract is the norm.

Seen two fch teachers did contract for a full one year recently
Sorry, what is fch? Thanks.
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Sorry, what is fch? Thanks.
Full-CHested.

Imagine it yourself.
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As much as i want to have a meaningful debate,
it would probably not be possible since
you compared the salary of teachers in general with fresh graduates;
of course the latter will be lower.

Another point you may want to take note is that the universities is also part of MOE;
We have 2 acting Ministers of Education; do you have any idea what is their portfolios?

Rather than be thankful to teachers who helped you make it to university, you ended up as an ungrateful individual, which you admitted, who probably thinks you made it through your own efforts alone.

Good luck in life with your way of thinking.
Typical teacher. Can't answer questions so he runs away. Why should fresh grad salaries be lower than teaching? Are other jobs not as important?

No, I did end up in university on my own efforts alone. I re-took my A-levels in NS in order to get into local university. With no help from MOE teachers at all, so there. My NS officers probably played a larger role in helping me get into local uni than all my MOE teachers combined.
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Rather than be thankful to teachers who helped you make it to university, you ended up as an ungrateful individual, which you admitted, who probably thinks you made it through your own efforts alone.

Good luck in life with your way of thinking.
When things go well, teacher takes credit. Tell you that you wouldn't have gotten to local uni on your own. When things go bad and student goes to ITE or flunks O-levels, suddenly its the student's fault for being lazy. Or the parent's fault for not disciplining their children. When student is bullied in class, nobody owns up to take responsibility for what happened, just push the blame to the bully. So hypocritical.
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