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Unregistered 28-07-2021 09:57 PM

Anybody knows how to promote to VP-ship, especially for non-scholars? Is it even possible, given the excess situation and whatís the criteria?

Unregistered 29-07-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 178683)
Anybody knows how to promote to VP-ship, especially for non-scholars? Is it even possible, given the excess situation and whatís the criteria?

I've never hit this milestone so a bit of guesswork on my part, but some of my thoughts:

1) Plenty of non-scholars have made it to school leadership

2) You will need to have a high CEP, probably serving as HOD but high-performing and handling cross-department/full-school affairs

3) MOE HR identifies certain of these people for a VP interview. Not everyone clears this.

4) If you're really interested, talk to your RO about this and how you could work towards moving up the leadership track (assuming you're a current HOD) - can couch it as further down the road, if you think it's not likely to be so soon. If you feel too embarrassed to do even that, it might also be a sign about your readiness for this?

Unregistered 29-07-2021 12:00 PM

Poly
 
Anyone can share what are the job grades of a polytechnic lecturer? I have just been offered a entry level lecturer position at a polytechnic, and just curious how what is it like in the industry.

Would be good if someone can share on the typical workload/working hours too.

WorkSoHard 29-07-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 178603)
There are some KPs who are supposed to "guide and lead others" but they actually don't. Work is assigned to the normal teachers without guidance, that's all. I think all teachers are intelligent enough to see this. Yet most teachers are unable to voice out since it places their performance grade at risk by the KPs ranking them.

Most teachers do their dutifully even if there are a lot to handle. It is rewarding when we see the results in our students. But it can be upsetting when not every teacher works hard together. There is perceived unfair work distribution when compared to some KPs. Maybe some KPs can really manage their time well, coffee breaks, KLKK, go home at 3pm with no bags of marking or laptop. The normal teachers are still slapped with Assistant Oral duties until past 5pm.

Unregistered 29-07-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 178602)
Very few KPs I know actually take the more "difficult" classes. Most of them seem to take classes where the students are older (hence more mature) and are more academically inclined.

To add on, many of the projects proposed and implemented by KPs can be seen being tanked and executed by the normal teachers (while this ironically boosts their portfolios and KPIs when they only "assign work").

Does this happen in other schools too?

Then I guess you know way too few KPs to be able to come to such conclusion

Unregistered 29-07-2021 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WorkSoHard (Post 178711)
Most teachers do their dutifully even if there are a lot to handle. It is rewarding when we see the results in our students. But it can be upsetting when not every teacher works hard together. There is perceived unfair work distribution when compared to some KPs. Maybe some KPs can really manage their time well, coffee breaks, KLKK, go home at 3pm with no bags of marking or laptop. The normal teachers are still slapped with Assistant Oral duties until past 5pm.

Isn't oral duty for everyone? At least that is the case in my school. KP or not, everyone is involved. & KPs still have to plan for the upcoming changes to PSLE oral due to the pandemic. Stop whining. It just reflects badly on yourself. AOE duty also want to complain.

WorkSoHard 29-07-2021 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 178746)
Isn't oral duty for everyone? At least that is the case in my school. KP or not, everyone is involved. & KPs still have to plan for the upcoming changes to PSLE oral due to the pandemic. Stop whining. It just reflects badly on yourself. AOE duty also want to complain.

In my school, 18 teachers were assigned oral duty for this period.
This forum is for all to post their comments. You may post your comments but please do not tell others to stop whining. You donít have to be here to hear it.

Unregistered 30-07-2021 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WorkSoHard (Post 178751)
In my school, 18 teachers were assigned oral duty for this period.
This forum is for all to post their comments. You may post your comments but please do not tell others to stop whining. You donít have to be here to hear it.

Keep whining then. Roll eyes

Unregistered 30-07-2021 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 178066)
looking at the salary range,
GEO4 SH teacher is getting 6.5k - 7k am I right or am I missing something

Depends on where your starting salary was at in the first place (Honours, NS) and how long you've been at GEO 4 (a first year GEO 4 SH would earn less than a 4th year GEO 4 SH).
A more generous range would be between 6k - 7k.

If I remember correctly, there was a change in what was offered as a starting salary from a couple of years ago. If you signed the Teacher Training Agreement in 2008, the starting salary for a male, FCH teacher was 4.1k. It was 3.8k in 2013.

Unregistered 30-07-2021 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 178746)
Isn't oral duty for everyone? At least that is the case in my school. KP or not, everyone is involved. & KPs still have to plan for the upcoming changes to PSLE oral due to the pandemic. Stop whining. It just reflects badly on yourself. AOE duty also want to complain.

Just to chip in too. I think every teacher will be assigned different duties throughout the year. I can honestly say that it's really hard to ensure equal workload among all teachers (for absolute fairness). Kinda impossible. Exam duties are still manageable tbh.

Maybe to put forth a more balanced argument...I have worked with enough KPs to see that there are many who do not show good examples of themselves in terms of being a leader.

Example? One of my colleagues was threatened just for providing simple feedback during a school wide meeting (to help and streamline certain workflow processes) by his RO. That KP saw it as creating trouble for all school staff.

More examples?

"I old already...You're younger so you should do it"

"I dunno anything about technology...Can you do it instead"

"This task is to groom you to help your career progression" (don't even know if this will materialise)

Not that we don't wish to help or learn. But the above really sounds like excuses to me. If they really feel so old or poorly skilled, shouldn't they just get out of their position and let others take it instead?

However I have also met A FEW who are really competent and are willing to guide or even work together with you towards a common goal. For these KPs, they impressed me enough for me to work hard under them, and even FOR them.

Example? I had one that prepares and gives instructions for work in advance, and periodically checks in if people under him need help. He listens to feedback and is willing to try out new ideas. Unlike some who throw work last minute without guidance and any mistake made, that poor particular teacher is held accountable.


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