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Old 25-07-2021, 08:32 PM
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I already knew that voicing this out may not end well for me. That is why i have been slogging it out since January.

So do most schools do this to newbies?? :0
Usually the more experienced you are, the heavier the workload (no. Of teaching classes, cca, committee duties etc). Newbies are offloaded.

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An official notification will only come to your P if you accept an offer in HRMS.

But it is a basic courtesy to inform your P and RO that you are intending to apply and there is a possibility that you will leave, should you be offered a position elsewhere. Unless you are for some reason completely not on talking terms with your P, you really should give him/her a heads up first.

It's quite rude to the P if he/she finds out first from another P or a Branch Head about your application, but radio silence from you. Or worse, suddenly receive a HRMS notification of your new posting out of the blue.
I just accepted an Open Posting offer but did not inform my P.
I did inform my RO at the beginning of the year and mentioned it again 2 weeks ago during mid year EPMS.



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Usually the more experienced you are, the heavier the workload (no. Of teaching classes, cca, committee duties etc). Newbies are offloaded.
In my school, KPs have lighter workload, less classes, some are even banded (not full class), and some very senior KPs don’t teach the challenging (in terms of discipline). He openly said that “give me the students with the best results, I don’t want to deal with discipline issues”. He equate good results to good behavior.

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In my school, KPs have lighter workload, less classes, some are even banded (not full class), and some very senior KPs don’t teach the challenging (in terms of discipline). He openly said that “give me the students with the best results, I don’t want to deal with discipline issues”. He equate good results to good behavior.
Very true, happening almost in all schools. Then they will say other officers cannot manage their classes.
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In my school, KPs have lighter workload, less classes, some are even banded (not full class), and some very senior KPs don’t teach the challenging (in terms of discipline). He openly said that “give me the students with the best results, I don’t want to deal with discipline issues”. He equate good results to good behavior.
Horrible. No wonder our students are not as supported as they should be.

Good and dedicated teachers are rare and may not be adequately appreciated and rewarded.
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Old 26-07-2021, 10:12 PM
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In my school, KPs have lighter workload, less classes, some are even banded (not full class), and some very senior KPs don’t teach the challenging (in terms of discipline). He openly said that “give me the students with the best results, I don’t want to deal with discipline issues”. He equate good results to good behavior.
KPs have more meetings and need to write more reports and manage a team. They spend time to guide and lead the teachers in the department that’s why need to be offloaded. Not possible to have normal teaching, cca and form teachership load and yet perform KP duties. Simply not manageable.
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In my school, KPs have lighter workload, less classes, some are even banded (not full class), and some very senior KPs don’t teach the challenging (in terms of discipline). He openly said that “give me the students with the best results, I don’t want to deal with discipline issues”. He equate good results to good behavior.
Very few KPs I know actually take the more "difficult" classes. Most of them seem to take classes where the students are older (hence more mature) and are more academically inclined.

To add on, many of the projects proposed and implemented by KPs can be seen being tanked and executed by the normal teachers (while this ironically boosts their portfolios and KPIs when they only "assign work").

Does this happen in other schools too?
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KPs have more meetings and need to write more reports and manage a team. They spend time to guide and lead the teachers in the department that’s why need to be offloaded. Not possible to have normal teaching, cca and form teachership load and yet perform KP duties. Simply not manageable.
There are some KPs who are supposed to "guide and lead others" but they actually don't. Work is assigned to the normal teachers without guidance, that's all. I think all teachers are intelligent enough to see this. Yet most teachers are unable to voice out since it places their performance grade at risk by the KPs ranking them.
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Very few KPs I know actually take the more "difficult" classes. Most of them seem to take classes where the students are older (hence more mature) and are more academically inclined.

To add on, many of the projects proposed and implemented by KPs can be seen being tanked and executed by the normal teachers (while this ironically boosts their portfolios and KPIs when they only "assign work").

Does this happen in other schools too?
Think it depends very much on school culture. In my school, the tail-end classes are often taught by KP. The P kinda expects it, even - perhaps that's why?
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Anyone can share what are the job grades of a polytechnic lecturer? I have just been offered a entry level lecturer position at a polytechnic, and just curious how what is it like in the industry.

Would be good if someone can share on the typical workload/working hours too.
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