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Old 01-04-2020, 01:06 PM
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Promoted to geo4 this april from 3, 200 increment but no change in salary range (still reflects 3). Hope they just haven't updated the increment in salary for promotion.
Anyone received their promotion increment yet?

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Nope. Still Teachers. Parents have jobs and then must come back and deal with Teachers who are half-F-ing around. What do you expect?
Yea la, if teachers not doing their job, then nothing to say.

But sometimes parents cannot even control their own children and expect the teachers in school to do their basic parenting job for them. Then go online and kpkb about the fact that teachers are not being good surrogate parents.

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lets update each other here next yr during promotion ya
All the best! Maybe things will change soon. Still got promo exercise in October too.

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Nope. Still Teachers. Parents have jobs and then must come back and deal with Teachers who are half-F-ing around. What do you expect?
This is exactly my point. It's parents job to raise their own kid. Their own parents fark care their useless kid. Want teacher to raise their kids for them meh

Teacher only teach the kids academic stuff cause you parents lack the intellect to do it. Parent to kids rations 2 to 1. You want teachee to raise your kid ratio 1 to 30.


Math fail la parents. I can teach your kids with a few stroke of the cane.
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One point I thought I'd note - this might have been accurate in the past (when were you in NTU?), recruitment is very competitive now and category #2 is practically non-existent today, IMHO.

Most of the new teachers I see today do at least partially fall into category #1 (many have other practical concerns as well, but I don't see any issue with that), or are at least willing to work hard with young students, so I don't think the situation today is quite as bleak as you make it out to be.

(That said, many do get jaded along the way, as someone had pointed out earlierÖ)


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Teachers are honestly the whiniest bunch of people around.

Letís be honest, very few Teachers joined because they have a passion for teaching. When i was in NTU and i met with people in NIE, here are the few types:

1) (5%) - People with real passion for teaching
2) (50%) - People who flopped in JC, and donít have the money to go to private Uni to get a sub-par degree or to go overseas to study. LL join NIE
3) (25%) - People with **** degrees (i.e. Lit, Comms, or some crap arts degree) who donít know what to do and suddenly declare that teaching is their passion. Youíve known them for 2-3 years and they never mentioned teaching. So you know it is a last ditch effort.
4) (20%) - People with good degrees (i.e. Engineering, Business etc), but donít want to join that field, no good companies will hire them at good pay or they tried those careers and it didnít work out. Basically looking for a steady paycheck.
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I felt a little disturbed seeing some of the messages here. I also beg to differ that only 5% of the teachers are passionate. Iím in a neighbourhood school and most of our pupils are from Low SES family. I reach school at 6:30am and leave at about 5:30pm everyday. I feel very tired sometimes but I always think to myself ďitís for the students, itís to value-add their learning, etcĒ when I think about quitting. Sometimes when my P arrows me to do stuffs, I always think about the end in mind about how this will impact/ help the kids, and most time, 90% of the things I do, it does impact them positively. I admit that I thought of quitting to just have a more relaxing life (my husband has been telling me to quit as he can be the sole breadwinner) but I canít let go because I do find joy in what I do. I remember last year I spent about 8 hours designing and laminating customised bookmarks for my kids for Childrenís Day. Just thinking about their smiles makes it all worthwhile. Of course, some just frown upon seeing a bookmark but most appreciates. I just finished a one-hour online live lesson and my students all said they enjoyed the lesson because they could see each other and the discussion was so rich. I spent 3 hours on the lesson planning but seeing their feedback and knowing that they have learnt makes it all worthwhile. A lot of my students have returned to the school to visit and the things their say/ write in the cards is really touching. E.g. I will never forget your teachings, you are the best teacher I ever had, etc. Iím sure you guys have gotten those too. Yes, they may grow up and forget you but some things like values will stay. From my observation and 10 years in school, I dare say we have at least 50% of passionate and dedicated Teachers. The other 50% wants to draw a steady paycheck, waits for retirement or just simply because itís impossible to go for a career change and draw that kind of salary. Many of them have regrets and of course thought about career change but they know that the outside industry is not as stable as teaching, so they fear quitting in case of regrets. In any case, whether you are a teacher or not, most people in this world is still driven by monetary gains, and humans need that form of recognition all the time. Even if you have done something right and your spouse praises you, you feel good; itís all normal. Pls do not associate the discussion here on promotions/ increments with our passion. Having that extra money is good because I get to buy stuffs I like, but end of the day, even if we donít get that promotion or high increments, we still go back and do what we do best with a heart.
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Teachers are honestly the whiniest bunch of people around.

Letís be honest, very few Teachers joined because they have a passion for teaching. When i was in NTU and i met with people in NIE, here are the few types:

1) (5%) - People with real passion for teaching
2) (50%) - People who flopped in JC, and donít have the money to go to private Uni to get a sub-par degree or to go overseas to study. LL join NIE
3) (25%) - People with **** degrees (i.e. Lit, Comms, or some crap arts degree) who donít know what to do and suddenly declare that teaching is their passion. Youíve known them for 2-3 years and they never mentioned teaching. So you know it is a last ditch effort.
4) (20%) - People with good degrees (i.e. Engineering, Business etc), but donít want to join that field, no good companies will hire them at good pay or they tried those careers and it didnít work out. Basically looking for a steady paycheck.

(Think about which category you fall in. And no. If you are on this forum posting regularly, you are not in the first category)

Now all these clowns above look at their peers in the private sector and whine about not making more money because they are doing an honourable profession. As long as you have idiots who are willing to join these careers and accept **** pay, the profession is going to pay **** pay. Those from private sectors joining teaching ďaccepted a pay cutĒ because that is as high as they will earn in private sector. So they join teaching knowing there will be a steady increment for doing easy work.

Yes! EASY work. People leave companies like Keppel that used to pay 4-6 months bonus to join teaching because the work there was tough and the hours was long. Real long hours. Like 6 days week and daily OT. Leave home at 6am and come home at 8-9pm kind. Teachers whine about working from 6.30am to 6pm? that is what the rest of the population does too. What the rest donít get is a GUARANTEED period to take leave to go on vacation. If you have kids... WOW! Your vacation time coincides with their school holiday? If your spouse is a teacher, even better! Whole family suka suka go vacation together. I have cancelled multiple vacations cos my company last minute needed me to be around.

People leave other private sector jobs because they did tough jobs out in the real world and compete with people who are HUNGRY! I have colleagues who joined teaching. They are the laziest bunch of paper pushers around. None of them had a ďpassionĒ. Letís be real. In the schools, people whine about some people getting promoted fast. Well you know that these are real people who work real hard. Guess what? In the real world the majority of people are like this. This is what we compete with daily. Remember the saying: ďThose who can, DO. Those who canít, teach.Ē

I always thought the lazy people who i met in NTU from NIE will grow up and grow to become good Teachers. But honestly, that was a mistake. After a hard dayís work, i look at Instagram and all i see are Teachers whining about their Low pay and their heavy workload. If you have time to post on social media so much, maybe youíre not that busy.

So forgive me for thinking 99% of the Teachers i meet are the laziest, least motivated and lacking in vision kind of people on the planet.


I felt a little disturbed seeing some of the messages here. I also beg to differ that only 5% of the teachers are passionate. Iím in a neighbourhood school and most of our pupils are from Low SES family. I reach school at 6:30am and leave at about 5:30pm everyday. I feel very tired sometimes but I always think to myself ďitís for the students, itís to value-add their learning, etcĒ when I think about quitting. Sometimes when my P arrows me to do stuffs, I always think about the end in mind about how this will impact/ help the kids, and most time, 90% of the things I do, it does impact them positively. I admit that I thought of quitting to just have a more relaxing life (my husband has been telling me to quit as he can be the sole breadwinner) but I canít let go because I do find joy in what I do. I remember last year I spent about 8 hours designing and laminating customised bookmarks for my kids for Childrenís Day. Just thinking about their smiles makes it all worthwhile. Of course, some just frown upon seeing a bookmark but most appreciates. I just finished a one-hour online live lesson and my students all said they enjoyed the lesson because they could see each other and the discussion was so rich. I spent 3 hours on the lesson planning but seeing their feedback and knowing that they have learnt makes it all worthwhile. A lot of my students have returned to the school to visit and the things their say/ write in the cards is really touching. E.g. I will never forget your teachings, you are the best teacher I ever had, etc. Iím sure you guys have gotten those too. Yes, they may grow up and forget you but some things like values will stay. From my observation and 10 years in school, I dare say we have at least 50% of passionate and dedicated Teachers. The other 50% wants to draw a steady paycheck, waits for retirement or just simply because itís impossible to go for a career change and draw that kind of salary. Many of them have regrets and of course thought about career change but they know that the outside industry is not as stable as teaching, so they fear quitting in case of regrets. In any case, whether you are a teacher or not, most people in this world is still driven by monetary gains, and humans need that form of recognition all the time. Even if you have done something right and your spouse praises you, you feel good; itís all normal. Pls do not associate the discussion here on promotions/ increments with our passion. Having that extra money is good because I get to buy stuffs I like, but end of the day, even if we donít get that promotion or high increments, we still go back and do what we do best with a heart.
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All the best! Maybe things will change soon. Still got promo exercise in October too.
all the best to u too! i think the promotion exercise in october alrdy out also tog w april
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Teachers like to complain they have too much admin work to do. Every job has admin work! Most professional jobs require you to file claims, do HR stuff etc. You also have to take on side projects etc. Even in large companies with many departments, some tasks wonít fall anywhere specific so somebody will have to pick it up.


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Teachers are honestly the whiniest bunch of people around.

Letís be honest, very few Teachers joined because they have a passion for teaching. When i was in NTU and i met with people in NIE, here are the few types:

1) (5%) - People with real passion for teaching
2) (50%) - People who flopped in JC, and donít have the money to go to private Uni to get a sub-par degree or to go overseas to study. LL join NIE
3) (25%) - People with **** degrees (i.e. Lit, Comms, or some crap arts degree) who donít know what to do and suddenly declare that teaching is their passion. Youíve known them for 2-3 years and they never mentioned teaching. So you know it is a last ditch effort.
4) (20%) - People with good degrees (i.e. Engineering, Business etc), but donít want to join that field, no good companies will hire them at good pay or they tried those careers and it didnít work out. Basically looking for a steady paycheck.

(Think about which category you fall in. And no. If you are on this forum posting regularly, you are not in the first category)

Now all these clowns above look at their peers in the private sector and whine about not making more money because they are doing an honourable profession. As long as you have idiots who are willing to join these careers and accept **** pay, the profession is going to pay **** pay. Those from private sectors joining teaching ďaccepted a pay cutĒ because that is as high as they will earn in private sector. So they join teaching knowing there will be a steady increment for doing easy work.

Yes! EASY work. People leave companies like Keppel that used to pay 4-6 months bonus to join teaching because the work there was tough and the hours was long. Real long hours. Like 6 days week and daily OT. Leave home at 6am and come home at 8-9pm kind. Teachers whine about working from 6.30am to 6pm? that is what the rest of the population does too. What the rest donít get is a GUARANTEED period to take leave to go on vacation. If you have kids... WOW! Your vacation time coincides with their school holiday? If your spouse is a teacher, even better! Whole family suka suka go vacation together. I have cancelled multiple vacations cos my company last minute needed me to be around.

People leave other private sector jobs because they did tough jobs out in the real world and compete with people who are HUNGRY! I have colleagues who joined teaching. They are the laziest bunch of paper pushers around. None of them had a ďpassionĒ. Letís be real. In the schools, people whine about some people getting promoted fast. Well you know that these are real people who work real hard. Guess what? In the real world the majority of people are like this. This is what we compete with daily. Remember the saying: ďThose who can, DO. Those who canít, teach.Ē

I always thought the lazy people who i met in NTU from NIE will grow up and grow to become good Teachers. But honestly, that was a mistake. After a hard dayís work, i look at Instagram and all i see are Teachers whining about their Low pay and their heavy workload. If you have time to post on social media so much, maybe youíre not that busy.

So forgive me for thinking 99% of the Teachers i meet are the laziest, least motivated and lacking in vision kind of people on the planet.
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Old 01-04-2020, 03:39 PM
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Can people help to update ur merit increments so we can fill in the gaps? looks like a slight decrease in merit increments compared to the past based on list below

Geo2
C-:
C:
C+:$60 (prorated)
B:
A:

Geo3
C-:
C: 175
C+: $175- $176
B: $210-$211
A:

Geo4
C-:
C: $192
C+: $192
B: $245-$260
A: $325

Geo5
C-:
C:
C+: $184-$216
B: $236
A:

Seo1
C-:
C: $305
C+:
B:
A: 498

Seo2
C-:
C:
C+:
B:
A:

Seo3
C-:
C:
C+:
B:
A
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