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Unregistered 24-07-2013 10:44 AM

Actually teachers' salaries are high, but on 'per hour basis' its low cos of the long work hours. I have teaching friends who are in school by 7.30am and leave school at almost 8pm..wtf.. Then also include all the extra sai kang teachers are required to do nowadays, alot of admin planning, weekly department meetings, CCA and other extra projects.

These few weeks for example, teachers have to bring the p5 kids to go watch the NDP rehearsals on Saturday....until like 12am before all reach school and dismissed..Also career path is relatively limited, if you are not going under the management scheme to be HOD and principal (v limited number of HOD posts anyway compared to the number of teachers in a school) etc at most you go towards the senior teacher scheme or something.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 40275)
Actually teachers' salaries are high, but on 'per hour basis' its low cos of the long work hours. I have teaching friends who are in school by 7.30am and leave school at almost 8pm..wtf.. Then also include all the extra sai kang teachers are required to do nowadays, alot of admin planning, weekly department meetings, CCA and other extra projects.

These few weeks for example, teachers have to bring the p5 kids to go watch the NDP rehearsals on Saturday....until like 12am before all reach school and dismissed..Also career path is relatively limited, if you are not going under the management scheme to be HOD and principal (v limited number of HOD posts anyway compared to the number of teachers in a school) etc at most you go towards the senior teacher scheme or something.

I have known teachers avoiding the 'HOD' path due to the more 'sai kang' things required to be done. Ok lah, bring p5 kids go watch NDP, try to enjoy also. It's not like accompany them go to graveyard. Some of my friends take CCA as something to chill.

Teaching friends in school by 7.30am and leave by 8pm? You are already paid 5k+ still whine. 8pm is not bad compared to people working in big4 firms.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 40276)
I have known teachers avoiding the 'HOD' path due to the more 'sai kang' things required to be done. Ok lah, bring p5 kids go watch NDP, try to enjoy also. It's not like accompany them go to graveyard. Some of my friends take CCA as something to chill.

Teaching friends in school by 7.30am and leave by 8pm? You are already paid 5k+ still whine. 8pm is not bad compared to people working in big4 firms.

You compare them to big 4? Big4 firms can easily hit 4k at 2nd-3rd year mark, you're not comparing apples to apples. We all know the increment for Audit please.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 40280)
You compare them to big 4? Big4 firms can easily hit 4k at 2nd-3rd year mark, you're not comparing apples to apples. We all know the increment for Audit please.

Are you sure you can hit 4k at 2nd year mark?

As a first year associate your starting pay is around 2.7k-3k. My friend is currently year 3 as a senior associate and is earning 3.6k only. His previous pay as an associate at year 2 was 3.2k. It takes about 4-5 years to hit assist manager which is 5k. Compared to my fellow colleagues in teaching industry, they hit 5k mark as a teacher on their 5th year as well. Compare the amount of hours both jobs put in. Don't forget big4 don't offer any bonus to your salary.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 07:51 PM

The rate that moe is increasing teacher's salary. you will be likely to see a fresh grad earning 5k, 10k after 3-5 years and 20k++ after 10 years. So people who wants to retire a rich millionaire, go teaching. Plus moonlighting, guaranteed iron rice bowl.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 08:22 PM

From your tone, easily know that you do not know the teaching industry.. first class female graduate only earns $3250/m and increment is peanuts.. how to reach $5k/m? You can really bullshit.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 09:02 PM

I think they shld change the job title to education administrator instead of education officer

since 70 admin work 30 teaching

Unregistered 24-07-2013 10:24 PM

Keeping The Teaching Profession Attractive: Higher Pay, Faster Promotion For Mid-Career Teachers

KEEPING THE TEACHING PROFESSION ATTRACTIVE:
HIGHER PAY, FASTER PROMOTION FOR MID-CAREER TEACHERS

1. As part of the ongoing programme to grow and diversify the teaching force, the Ministry of Education will enhance the salary and promotion prospects of mid-career teachers from Jan 2008. MOE values the knowledge and experience that mid-career teachers bring to the profession. The enhancements will ensure that their contributions are recognised, in line with those of their peers who joined the teaching profession as their first career.

2. The pay and progression of new mid-career teachers will be adjusted such that they will be able to catch up with their peers by their 4th year as a trained teacher. This is considerably faster than is currently the case. This will be done through higher starting salaries, faster promotions and additional salary increments upon promotion. Existing mid-career teachers can also look forward to faster promotions and additional salary increments to similarly close the gap between them and their peers in service.

3. There are currently 6,600 mid-career officers with 1 year or more of past working experience prior to joining the teaching profession. They make up about 22% of the Education Service. On average, another 680 mid-career teachers join the profession every year. Many of our mid-career officers are contributing positively to our schools and a considerable number have taken up key positions in schools and MOE Headquarters. School leaders have given feedback that these mid-career teachers have injected a greater diversity of experiences and perspectives into the learning environment for our students.

4. The announcement was made by Mr Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Minister for Education, at the MOE Work Plan Seminar 2007 on 2 Oct 2007.

New Mid-Career Teachers

5. The following enhancements will apply to all new mid-career teachers appointed on or after Jan 2008.

Higher Starting Salaries

6. Under the current policy, the Ministry recognises fully (100 percent) the years of past teaching experience of mid-career entrants for starting salary computation. Non-teaching work experience is recognised partially, at 50 percent. Under the revised policy, a greater proportion, up to 80 percent, of non-teaching work experience of mid-career teachers will be recognised for starting salary computation. Past teaching experience will continue to be recognised fully.

Higher Entry Grade After NIE Training

7. Graduate entrants with 3 or more years of prior work experience could be directly appointed on the GEO1A1 scale of the Education Service, after training at the National Institute of Education (NIE). This is one grade higher than the current entry grades of GEO 1.1 for trained teachers.

Faster Promotion and Additional Increments

8. New mid-career teachers will have faster promotion prospects to bring them on par with their peers who took up teaching as their first career immediately after graduation. They may also have additional pay increments upon promotion.

9. Examples to illustrate the progression for new mid-career teachers are at Annex A.

Existing Mid-Career Teachers

10. MOE will similarly close the gap between existing mid-career teachers and their peers in the service through salary adjustments based on their years of previous non-teaching work experience. With the adjustments, all existing mid-career teachers should catch up with their peers over the next 6 years, with more than 90% of them catching up within the next 4 years.

Faster Promotion and Additional Increments

11. Existing mid-career teachers will enjoy faster promotion prospects to bring them on par with their peers who joined the teaching profession as their first career after graduation. They may also have additional pay increments upon promotion.

12. MOE will inform all eligible mid-career officers individually by end Feb 2008.


Annex A

Examples of Progression for New Mid-Career Teachers

Ms Ng is a Good Honours degree holder who has worked for 5 years in the private sector. Her last drawn salary was $4,200. She decides to join teaching in 2008. Under the current policy, she would be offered a starting salary of $3,172 as a trainee teacher in NIE. With the revised policy, her starting salary will be $3,347. Upon graduation from NIE in 2009 and subject to good performance, she is placed on the General Education Officer (GEO) 1A1 grade directly (instead of GEO 1.1) and given additional salary increments, to bring her salary to $4,100. This is the same pay as her peer who joined the teaching profession immediately upon graduation.

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Mr Tan is a Pass degree holder who has worked for 11 years in both the public and private sectors, with his last job being a deputy director in a statutory board. His last drawn salary was $4,500. He decides to join teaching in 2008. Under the current policy, he would be offered a starting salary of $3,697 as a trainee teacher in NIE. With the revised policy, his starting salary will be $4,221. Upon graduation from NIE in 2009 and subject to good performance, he is placed on the General Education Officer (GEO) 1A1 grade directly (instead of GEO 1.1) and given additional salary increments, to bring his salary to $4,836. With good performance, he can be further promoted to GEO 1A2 grade in 2010 with a salary of $5,373. This would be in line with his peer who joined the teaching profession immediately upon graduation.

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[1] Mid-career teachers are those with at least 1 year of prior full-time work experience outside the teaching profession.
[2] A peer refers here to a teacher who is of about the same age as the mid-career entrant and who has the same profile (e.g. academic qualifications, performance and potential.)

Unregistered 24-07-2013 10:57 PM

that HR circular is filled with nothing but bullsh*t. Unless you have some dying passion to teach or your current pte sector job is murdering you with OT and deadlines up to your neck, no sane person would wanna take a pay cut and submit themselves to the 3 year MOE bond purely "for the love of teaching and the children" and destroy their entire career/resume track record before that.

And seriously everyone knows a Deputy Director in stat boards makes 8-9,10k/month (not 4.5k as it claims) and has a team to boss around. its kind of similar to a HOD job. with that kind of salary and responsibility under you belt you're gotta be crazy to take the plunge. sure you get the school holiday benefits but public sector/stat board jobs aren't exactly stressful either, coupled with the generous leave benefits the civil service has.

fyi, the pay ceiling for normal foot soldier teachers is only $7400/=. assuming you never get promoted to SH or HOD in your teaching career. compare that with the $8,9 or even 10k ceiling that farmers might achieve in the ministries/stat boards if they stay around long enough.

Unregistered 24-07-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 40311)
that HR circular is filled with nothing but bullsh*t. Unless you have some dying passion to teach or your current pte sector job is murdering you with OT and deadlines up to your neck, no sane person would wanna take a pay cut and submit themselves to the 3 year MOE bond purely "for the love of teaching and the children" and destroy their entire career/resume track record before that.

And seriously everyone knows a Deputy Director in stat boards makes 8-9,10k/month (not 4.5k as it claims) and has a team to boss around. its kind of similar to a HOD job. with that kind of salary and responsibility under you belt you're gotta be crazy to take the plunge. sure you get the school holiday benefits but public sector/stat board jobs aren't exactly stressful either, coupled with the generous leave benefits the civil service has.

fyi, the pay ceiling for normal foot soldier teachers is only $7400/=. assuming you never get promoted to SH or HOD in your teaching career. compare that with the $8,9 or even 10k ceiling that farmers might achieve in the ministries/stat boards if they stay around long enough.

Not everyone can hit managerial level. Can farm all the way till 7.4k...but how long does that take?


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