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Old 05-05-2019, 11:09 AM
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To add-on, if you do not have a degree from a local uni stated above, then i think it will be really hard. Many years ago, my ex-teacher told that dip-holders do the same stuffs as a degree-holder but gets paid lesser, and I think MOE wants all teacher to have a degree right now right?

I think MOE is one of the ministries with the largest number of scholarship holders because they have the EMS > PSC > MOE TS > MOE TA before they reach a farmer. So they have no shortage of officers to take up leadership position. Perhaps, you may be interested in the specialist or teaching tracks too.

All these play an important role to determine your CEP.
I would think talking to your RO to know your strength and area for improvement. Show your willingness to take on projects to lead at level, and be part of a school based project. Those are traits of a GEO 4 officer.

Have a male colleague got GEO 4 just this year. Entered service in 2013. And he has received some Bs..[/QUOTE]

Maybe I should talk to my RO again during mid year review. Had a pre work review in March and when I questioned, RO said donít know. Donít know about CEP and why. Just said some officers take longer and itís not in the schoolís choice. RO said during year end review, everything is good and fine. I finish all I need to do, complete assigned task ahead of time etc etc. Still a C.

Then went for 1 to 1 chat with P as itís a requirement in my school to see the P once a year for chat. Asked about it and said time factor and Iím just at GEO 3 for like 4 years. Just said C is a good grade. Ask me to just wait patiently. Just said cos I started out with higher salary etc so could be a reason.

Then we see some SH and HOD who was promoted to SEO 1 and only manage to finish teaching 5.5 to 6 chapters out of 16 chapters when students in Sec 3. Sometimes really wonder how these people move up.

Oh well.... sigh... At least I now know my CEP sucks.

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Maybe I should talk to my RO again during mid year review. Had a pre work review in March and when I questioned, RO said donít know. Donít know about CEP and why. Just said some officers take longer and itís not in the schoolís choice. RO said during year end review, everything is good and fine. I finish all I need to do, complete assigned task ahead of time etc etc. Still a C.

Then went for 1 to 1 chat with P as itís a requirement in my school to see the P once a year for chat. Asked about it and said time factor and Iím just at GEO 3 for like 4 years. Just said C is a good grade. Ask me to just wait patiently. Just said cos I started out with higher salary etc so could be a reason.

Then we see some SH and HOD who was promoted to SEO 1 and only manage to finish teaching 5.5 to 6 chapters out of 16 chapters when students in Sec 3. Sometimes really wonder how these people move up.

Oh well.... sigh... At least I now know my CEP sucks.
The issue with MOE is that there are too many scholars. One of my friends who is a scholar went from school (2yrs) > HQ (3yrs) > school (2 yrs) > HOD.

And then MOE doesnít rotate HODs as often too. Like some of the schools i know have the same HOD for like 10-20 years. So if you think about it, it tough for promotions in some sense because HODs donít want a Ďpay dropí to be ST etc.

Just keep moving! Remember the education is about moulding the future of our nation, so do your best for our kids! Thanks for that too!



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VP Admin can promote to full Principal?

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VP Admin can promote to full Principal?
Don't think so; P has to do teachery stuffs also. Anyway, don't think they are in need short of VP to promote to P via the Teaching Leadership track.

The role of VP admin handles all the administrative work, and less the teaching portfolio.
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VP Admin can promote to full Principal?
Vp admin is also under geo track or mx scheme?
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Vp admin is also under geo track or mx scheme?
Super scale? I see most admin VP are seconded from or retired from mindef. Usually Ltcs and ex co
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Super scale? I see most admin VP are seconded from or retired from mindef. Usually Ltcs and ex co
I see. Speaking of which, perhaps. But my current VPA is neither..... These people good life...... after SAF get lump sum still got a VPA post for them....


Btw, do CEP include all your results from PSLE all the way to Uni (bachelors)? Cos I think some said masters have no value.

Reason why I think so is cos since MOE has all our academic records anyways.
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Maybe from degree? I think most farmers would have a generic one. I don't think it is tailored individually for non-scholars.

Anyway, i think the masters point is quite true in civil service - helps in long run progression and development, but not so at the start.

I have a ex-teacher who did a MOE Overseas TS, and he didn't do a masters for his subject because he wanted to 'teach' quickly. Fast forward 7 years, he did a HQ stint and is now a HOD of his department.

Another one of my friends who has a Masters from one of world top unis in his subject, told me that NIE salary was the same as those without - he is a Teaching Local + Overseas PG scholar. I think the Ministry encourage overseas scholars to do a masters so it will help them in their long-term career progression.
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Vp admin is also under geo track or mx scheme?
MX scheme; probably no further possibility for progression within school, unless transfer to HQ.
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MX scheme; probably no further possibility for progression within school, unless transfer to HQ.
Also its for HQ positions in professional/coporate wing like Finance etc. Most of the education portfolios are all for GEOs.
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