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Unregistered 23-06-2022 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223104)
Hierarchy in MOE: AO > MX > EO

Hard truth.
MX is just a trash generic scheme but they have superiority complex over the backbone of the education service.

Unregistered 23-06-2022 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223090)
However, certain explanation given due to systemic constraints which the ground officers are striving to improve does not piece up the whole picture.
Pieces of reality are better than hiding behind complete opacity or brushing people off with non-answers along the lines of "aiya you all are not going to understand anyway, no point trying to explain properly". Infantilising people is disrespectful and simply not a way of earning their trust in your decision making processes.

Unregistered 24-06-2022 12:27 AM
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Blaming the declining birth rate is simply parroting what you’re told by your higher ups. Since you talk abt connecting the dots, how abt exercising what you preach regarding the declining birth rates?

If schools/MOE are willing and committed to improve the student to teacher ratio, the increase in quality of learning will reap benefits manyfolds. it might even spur our local population to consider starting families and having more kids.

the decision/policy makers took so much effort to emulate the education system of other developed countries (Finland etc) through overseas visits & observations etc, but somehow stopped short of modelling (or conveniently ignored) the classroom size in such countries.

the change in student teacher ratio will definitely impact other national considerations. but since we claim we care so much abt our pple’s education, then those other national considerations need to be readjusted accordingly.

i’m not a disgruntled educator. there’re many merits in Singapore’s education system. however, it’s not a perfect one, and there’s much more that can be done. as much as we try to encourage our students to be critical thinkers, we ourselves need to be one. otherwise this echo chamber syndrome will lead us to a vicious cycle of self detriment

So many assumptions in this post. You are first assuming that teaching quality is consistently high across all teachers at the moment, and that with reduced class sizes, teaching quality might improve. If you have had a chance to observe teachers in the classroom, you might realize that with some teachers, even giving them a 1:1 student ratio, they still can’t teach

Unregistered 24-06-2022 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223104)
Hierarchy in MOE: AO > MX > EO

Hard truth.
This is not true. Ask HR and they will tell you that EO is the premium scheme in MOE. EOs enjoy more privileges than MXOs. So you have to be a really cmi EO to feel that MX > EO. AO, no need to compare at all, it is the premium of the premiums in all of civil service

Unregistered 24-06-2022 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223198)
This is not true. Ask HR and they will tell you that EO is the premium scheme in MOE. EOs enjoy more privileges than MXOs. So you have to be a really cmi EO to feel that MX > EO. AO, no need to compare at all, it is the premium of the premiums in all of civil service
What kind of privileges?

Unregistered 24-06-2022 11:01 AM
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What kind of privileges?
Privilege includes no flexi work arrangements, can't take annual leave as and when needed, need to deal unreasonable customers aka parents

Unregistered 24-06-2022 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223214)
Privilege includes no flexi work arrangements, can't take annual leave as and when needed, need to deal unreasonable customers aka parents
Got flexi work arrangements la... just that you pay dearly for the privilege. Pay reduction is disproportionately larger than actual workload reduction.

Unregistered 24-06-2022 01:56 PM
I think there's a common agreement here that the ministry needs to do something about the system which is crippling many of the ordinary teachers (majority of the workforce) out there.

Reducing class sizes really does help a lot for an average teacher out there...

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223191)
So many assumptions in this post. You are first assuming that teaching quality is consistently high across all teachers at the moment, and that with reduced class sizes, teaching quality might improve. If you have had a chance to observe teachers in the classroom, you might realize that with some teachers, even giving them a 1:1 student ratio, they still can’t teach
...But this post really does have a point too. Should I also add that quote a number are KPs? And they do not need to undergo lesson observations? Which worsens the problem further each year?

From a HR point of view, this problem kinda surfaced when there were massive recruitment exercises 15-20 years ago, where any random Tom Dick and Harry can get easily hired. These groups of people are currently the Gen X or boomers, some of whom are also KPs occupying space in the current system.

Going back to the big picture, it would seem that majority (and increasing too) of the challenges are now system/nationwide, rather than just problems isolated within certain schools. Everyone agrees that education is important, but because the economic value is not immediate and obvious, it seems like less resources will be invested in it?

In the past, the truly anonymous school climate survey can be weaponised against SLs or KPs if there are school wide issues. The surveys conducted now are definitely not anonymous anymore and seem to be done for the sake of doing it only. And now with issues that seem to be system/nation wide (yet seemingly swept under the carpet), is there even a channel or avenue for feedback?

Or is the only way doing extreme things like reconsidering our votes during elections?

Sorry, just doing See Think Wonder and Making Thinking Visible.

Unregistered 24-06-2022 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223191)
So many assumptions in this post. You are first assuming that teaching quality is consistently high across all teachers at the moment, and that with reduced class sizes, teaching quality might improve. If you have had a chance to observe teachers in the classroom, you might realize that with some teachers, even giving them a 1:1 student ratio, they still can’t teach
You're still talking about the minority of teachers though. Why write policy with reference to the bottom of the barrel? How about the vast majority of teachers who are decent teachers or better, but maybe don't have insane classroom management talents and/or have a lot of students in a large class who need more personalised attention in order to flourish?

This type of classroom scenario is becoming increasingly common, what more with the wider rollout of FSBB and the encouragement of students with mild SEN to study in mainstream schools.

Unregistered 24-06-2022 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223231)
I think there's a common agreement here that the ministry needs to do something about the system which is crippling many of the ordinary teachers (majority of the workforce) out there.

Reducing class sizes really does help a lot for an average teacher out there...



...But this post really does have a point too. Should I also add that quote a number are KPs? And they do not need to undergo lesson observations? Which worsens the problem further each year?

From a HR point of view, this problem kinda surfaced when there were massive recruitment exercises 15-20 years ago, where any random Tom Dick and Harry can get easily hired. These groups of people are currently the Gen X or boomers, some of whom are also KPs occupying space in the current system.

Going back to the big picture, it would seem that majority (and increasing too) of the challenges are now system/nationwide, rather than just problems isolated within certain schools. Everyone agrees that education is important, but because the economic value is not immediate and obvious, it seems like less resources will be invested in it?

In the past, the truly anonymous school climate survey can be weaponised against SLs or KPs if there are school wide issues. The surveys conducted now are definitely not anonymous anymore and seem to be done for the sake of doing it only. And now with issues that seem to be system/nation wide (yet seemingly swept under the carpet), is there even a channel or avenue for feedback?

Or is the only way doing extreme things like reconsidering our votes during elections?

Sorry, just doing See Think Wonder and Making Thinking Visible.
So next time when you're appointed KP and held the same appointment for decades, don't complain when you're asked to step down since you're expecting Gen X KPs to be tenured.

Unregistered 25-06-2022 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223297)
So next time when you're appointed KP and held the same appointment for decades, don't complain when you're asked to step down since you're expecting Gen X KPs to be tenured.
Holding the same appointment for decades is just a dumb idea and SLs that allow this are also one kind.. unless you really go upgrade yourself every few years and come back to freshen up your leadership and management style. But who practically does that?

Unregistered 25-06-2022 01:27 AM
shoot inside my jc student yesterday. gave her morning after pills she don't want take. super worried how?

Unregistered 25-06-2022 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223258)
You're still talking about the minority of teachers though. Why write policy with reference to the bottom of the barrel? How about the vast majority of teachers who are decent teachers or better, but maybe don't have insane classroom management talents and/or have a lot of students in a large class who need more personalised attention in order to flourish?

This type of classroom scenario is becoming increasingly common, what more with the wider rollout of FSBB and the encouragement of students with mild SEN to study in mainstream schools.
Classroom management skills is #1 priority before curriculum teaching. A good teacher is able to design a lesson that caters to all needs. Highly recommend “Five Moore Minutes” video series on how to do so.

Unregistered 25-06-2022 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223208)
What kind of privileges?
2 words: CONNECT PLAN

Unregistered 25-06-2022 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223297)
So next time when you're appointed KP and held the same appointment for decades, don't complain when you're asked to step down since you're expecting Gen X KPs to be tenured.
To be fair and to answer to your sarcasm, a KP should definitely step down IF teaching and management abilities are not up to standard. I am willing to do so if I know that I am not performing up to expectations. This also conforms to how the private sector is like - true meritocracy.

And to add on, looking at the other side of the coin, I will also definitely not want capable KPs or SLs to step down. I have seen some teams (I myself as part of a team as well) working so productively and happily under competent leaders before. When an experienced, capable leader leaves, the whole team ends up suffering or underperforming.

Unfortunately, I have not met many of such capable leaders. Most of the capable ones I know have left or resigned. Many incompetent ones are still around.

Unregistered 25-06-2022 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223331)
Classroom management skills is #1 priority before curriculum teaching. A good teacher is able to design a lesson that caters to all needs. Highly recommend “Five Moore Minutes” video series on how to do so.
Of course it is. Although there are a good number of modern Singaporean classrooms where the learner profiles are so diverse. In some single stream schools you may have to support the needs of some of the top students in the cohort and also DSA students who need more time and also SEN students who need more personalised attention.. all within the same class. Can teachers do it? Yes of course, there are many colleagues right now who are doing their best to adapt and are achieving some level of success. But can the system be improved? YES. Cutting class sizes for such class profiles is going to be immensely beneficial. Like mentioned, as FSBB rolls into more schools, these profiles are going to be more and more common.

Unregistered 27-06-2022 05:08 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't understand what the email regarding salary revision is about? So raise by how much huh?

Unregistered 27-06-2022 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223585)
Am I the only one who doesn't understand what the email regarding salary revision is about? So raise by how much huh?
No salary revision for EOs yet.

Unregistered 27-06-2022 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223585)
Am I the only one who doesn't understand what the email regarding salary revision is about? So raise by how much huh?
Raised by zero.

Unregistered 28-06-2022 03:27 PM
Hi,

Has anyone gone for CDD recently? Can share what questions were asked?

Unregistered 28-06-2022 05:24 PM
So full timers still need to submit timesheet?! *facepalm* so mafan one thought full timer don’t need

Unregistered 28-06-2022 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223347)
To be fair and to answer to your sarcasm, a KP should definitely step down IF teaching and management abilities are not up to standard. I am willing to do so if I know that I am not performing up to expectations. This also conforms to how the private sector is like - true meritocracy.

And to add on, looking at the other side of the coin, I will also definitely not want capable KPs or SLs to step down. I have seen some teams (I myself as part of a team as well) working so productively and happily under competent leaders before. When an experienced, capable leader leaves, the whole team ends up suffering or underperforming.

Unfortunately, I have not met many of such capable leaders. Most of the capable ones I know have left or resigned. Many incompetent ones are still around.
As an ex teacher, I just want to encourage any teachers reading this post to seriously consider resigning. I’m much happier now than when I was a teacher. A large part is not having to deal with the SLs and SMC. I agree fully with above. The system is such that there will always be SLs and KPs who are totally incompetent and hence even more insecure and try to feel secure by trying to step on or put down officers, and engage in politics to make themselves feel secure. They will also be the ones that will stay as they can’t get a job anywhere else. HQ will not be able to solve the problem that they contributed to. I strongly encourage younger teachers to resign as soon as you can. There is a whole world out there. Any other job is better as it won’t be plagued by this issue that can’t be resolved.

Unregistered 28-06-2022 10:15 PM
hi im getting very tired, work such hours and only geo2. can any others who have switched to Flexi advise how the rate is and how feasble is it to do tuition after hours as Flexi.

Unregistered 29-06-2022 12:00 AM
Why do HODs get demoted to normal teachers, esp when they are old?

Unregistered 29-06-2022 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223741)
Why do HODs get demoted to normal teachers, esp when they are old?
Leadership renewal and to open up opportunities for younger leaders to step up.

Unregistered 29-06-2022 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223741)
Why do HODs get demoted to normal teachers, esp when they are old?
I have never witnessed this before though. Were they forced to?

Unregistered 29-06-2022 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223834)
I have never witnessed this before though. Were they forced to?
I doubt they are forcibly demoted, but either voluntarily stepped down to focus more on personal well-being and family, or, encouraged by P to step down to refresh leadership in the respective portfolio.

Unregistered 29-06-2022 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223734)
hi im getting very tired, work such hours and only geo2. can any others who have switched to Flexi advise how the rate is and how feasble is it to do tuition after hours as Flexi.
I believe you meant Flexi adjunct? paid by per hr to a max amt a day, follow your last drawn pay (geo2 in this case) and no bonus no promotion no increment etc, can fire you easily by not renewing your contract.

Not too sure about tuition but going adjunct usually is not good deal until you geo5

Unregistered 30-06-2022 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223869)
I believe you meant Flexi adjunct? paid by per hr to a max amt a day, follow your last drawn pay (geo2 in this case) and no bonus no promotion no increment etc, can fire you easily by not renewing your contract.

Not too sure about tuition but going adjunct usually is not good deal until you geo5
Any idea about contract adjunct?

Unregistered 30-06-2022 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223869)
I believe you meant Flexi adjunct? paid by per hr to a max amt a day, follow your last drawn pay (geo2 in this case) and no bonus no promotion no increment etc, can fire you easily by not renewing your contract.

Not too sure about tuition but going adjunct usually is not good deal until you geo5
Agree but the problem nowadays is that it can take 10 years or more to hit geo5 if your CEP is at geo5. If one is to explore the possibility of leaving the MOE system, the earlier they leave the better.

Unregistered 30-06-2022 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223898)
Agree but the problem nowadays is that it can take 10 years or more to hit geo5 if your CEP is at geo5. If one is to explore the possibility of leaving the MOE system, the earlier they leave the better.

agree. if really really cannot tahan, then no need to wait until geo5 la.

last time promote to geo5 v fast, now if your cep is not high, can take very long to hit geo5.

by the time u hit geo 5 then switch to flexi adjunct, maybe already severely burnt out or go imh liao.

just do fajt until find another job or until build a side income, since fajt goes home pretty early.

Unregistered 30-06-2022 10:13 PM
Nt heypi jus quit asap

Unregistered 01-07-2022 06:21 PM
I'm really curious to hear. What's the longest that you've ever seen someone take to go from GEO4 to 5?

Unregistered 01-07-2022 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224139)
I'm really curious to hear. What's the longest that you've ever seen someone take to go from GEO4 to 5?
Personally, I'm reaching 8 years. Average performer. Never got a D, but never got a B either. I've heard someone GEO4 for 11 years.

Unregistered 01-07-2022 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224139)
I'm really curious to hear. What's the longest that you've ever seen someone take to go from GEO4 to 5?
There's someone in my school who is already at the GEO4 ceiling for the second year, but still not promoted. Teaching is their first career. No disciplinary issues.

Unregistered 01-07-2022 11:04 PM
Some of us r still stuck at geo3 forever!!

Unregistered 02-07-2022 11:54 AM
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Some of us r still stuck at geo3 forever!!
thots n prayers ...

Unregistered 02-07-2022 01:26 PM
Want to know your CEP? Try applying any of the KP on HRP during OPE. If the system allows you apply, it means your CEP has met the position that you are applying for, if systems rejects, your CEP has not met the minimum level yet

Unregistered 02-07-2022 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224226)
Want to know your CEP? Try applying any of the KP on HRP during OPE. If the system allows you apply, it means your CEP has met the position that you are applying for, if systems rejects, your CEP has not met the minimum level yet
Fake news. I can even apply for the Assistant Director positions in HQ. My CEP is not that high.

Unregistered 02-07-2022 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224226)
Want to know your CEP? Try applying any of the KP on HRP during OPE. If the system allows you apply, it means your CEP has met the position that you are applying for, if systems rejects, your CEP has not met the minimum level yet
Sounds interesting! But if we apply, then may have to go for interview haha


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