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Old 08-09-2018, 10:04 PM
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Eh. Unless things have changed recently, default CEP is GEO5. You actually need to be deemed promising enough to have CEP bumped up (and thus eligible for higher appointment).

I've not seen fresh scholars before so not entirely sure if they start off higher. It's possible that they do; but I think it's more likely that they start off the same but get bumped up faster.

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1. It doesn’t matter which CCA you are assigned to. What matters most is the impact you make.

2. Schools decide on your CEP during ranking session and this will be reviewed on a yearly basis. To be honest, most teachers who are not scholars will start off with a CEP of SEO1/2. If they consistently perform well, their CEP will be bumped up. Similarly, if they do not perform so well, their CEP might drop to a GEO5.

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Old 09-09-2018, 03:34 AM
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Hi, if i join MOE after i have completed my Masters, will i be evaluated as an undergrad/ mid-career? On MOE website, the pay scale is shown by honours. i heard that mid-career switchers will have a different scheme that allows them to promote faster as well? so i'm like caught in the middle now.

if i'm evaluated based on my undergrad then it seems like my masters useless?anyone care to share about pay & progression of a masters grad joining MOE? thanks in advance!

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Old 09-09-2018, 07:38 AM
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Hi, if i join MOE after i have completed my Masters, will i be evaluated as an undergrad/ mid-career? On MOE website, the pay scale is shown by honours. i heard that mid-career switchers will have a different scheme that allows them to promote faster as well? so i'm like caught in the middle now.

if i'm evaluated based on my undergrad then it seems like my masters useless?anyone care to share about pay & progression of a masters grad joining MOE? thanks in advance!
generally if U join at say 35 yrs old with substantial job experience in other fields, yes considered mid career.

But say U take a master immediately after your bachelors, then it is clear U do not have any substantial job experience that may enhance your student experience.

As masters at our local universities are considered to be relatively non selective, therefore to maintain equality with other fresh grad of equal calibre, you will be emplaced on the fresh grad scheme.

As an prospective educator, you should understand that nothing is wasted. Even though your masters does not confer U higher pay, but it is an experience, personal learning journey which is of tangible intrinsic value to yourself. As an educator, you will soon realise not everything can be or should be monetised.

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Old 13-09-2018, 10:32 PM
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info on current connect plan payouts?
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Old 15-09-2018, 10:40 AM
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Sorry if this sounds political, but I got a feeling that it does affect performance and progression.

1. How do you deal with colleagues who spread rumours and report unjustified things about you to your RO?

2. Will ROs give lower performance grades (since performance and progression largely depends on ROs during ranking) upon hearing these talks/rumours (without concrete evidence)?

I am asking this because as mentioned previously, ROs are ultimately still humans; some of them might still be easily swayed by others, no?
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Old 15-09-2018, 06:40 PM
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Not sure what responses you expect to get here, but here's my attempt:

1) Talk to your RO about it.

2) Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how much they trust the source(s) and various other factors. You'll probably be able to judge better than stranger on an online forum.

Ultimately if you feel you're in this situation and your RO is not likely to listen to you, it's probably best to look for another posting elsewhere.

I mean, there are official channels you could go through (e.g. discuss the situation with a school leader, or even formally dispute the performance grade) but I won't be too optimistic on the outcome of those. Plus, even if it turns out well, that RO will still be around and things might be unpleasant by that point.

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Sorry if this sounds political, but I got a feeling that it does affect performance and progression.

1. How do you deal with colleagues who spread rumours and report unjustified things about you to your RO?

2. Will ROs give lower performance grades (since performance and progression largely depends on ROs during ranking) upon hearing these talks/rumours (without concrete evidence)?

I am asking this because as mentioned previously, ROs are ultimately still humans; some of them might still be easily swayed by others, no?
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Old 16-09-2018, 01:59 PM
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Just for clarifications:

1. No, default CEP for new staff is not SEO1 (SH / ST). You have to work your way up.

2. While you can try to guess that your CEP might increase with As and Bs, but you might be interested to know they CEP and performance grades have no direct link. Performance grade is only linked to performance bonus. We can have a teacher who did very well and get B, but rejects higher appointments and thus having CEP remained.
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Old 20-09-2018, 10:55 PM
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Hi all, I'm just wondering what do I need to do in order to get appointed to a leadership position. My school is fairly new and there are a lot of vacancies. I am interested in the leadership track and have expressed my interest so far.

I was a dip holder from 2014 to 2018. Had quite a good appraisal for the past few years. But I did heard my P hinting to take up teaching and specialist track which I am not Interested in. What should I do?
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Old 21-09-2018, 03:55 PM
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Generally you'd need to be identified as having high potential - expressing interest is a good start. However, it's best if you are able to demonstrate leadership capability. Be a level coordinator, head some committees, even proactively suggest and volunteer to drive a project (e.g. remedial programme for your subject, if they didn't do well in prelims)? Or don't create new work to do; ask your RO/HOD what they hope to achieve and see if you are able to help make it come to fruition.

If you've been getting good appraisal (C+ at minimum; A/B is ideal) I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to negotiate some opportunities for you to prove yourself. To take up a formal appointment your CEP needs to have been bumped up from default - it's possible that you have been doing well in your assigned roles, but haven't demonstrated sufficient leadership potential for the school leaders to endorse an increase.

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Hi all, I'm just wondering what do I need to do in order to get appointed to a leadership position. My school is fairly new and there are a lot of vacancies. I am interested in the leadership track and have expressed my interest so far.

I was a dip holder from 2014 to 2018. Had quite a good appraisal for the past few years. But I did heard my P hinting to take up teaching and specialist track which I am not Interested in. What should I do?
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Old 22-09-2018, 03:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Unregistered;110397]Generally you'd need to be identified as having high potential - expressing interest is a good start. However, it's best if you are able to demonstrate leadership capability. Be a level coordinator, head some committees, even proactively suggest and volunteer to drive a project (e.g. remedial programme for your subject, if they didn't do well in prelims)? Or don't create new work to do; ask your RO/HOD what they hope to achieve and see if you are able to help make it come to fruition.

If you've been getting good appraisal (C+ at minimum; A/B is ideal) I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to negotiate some opportunities for you to prove yourself. To take up a formal appointment your CEP needs to have been bumped up from default - it's possible that you have been doing well in your assigned roles, but haven't demonstrated sufficient leadership potential for the school leaders to endorse an increase.

All the best!

Thank you for the encouragement. I have been getting C+ and above for the past 3 years. And maybe I feel that I'm fairly new to the fraternity (4yrs till date). I have headed a few committees in a year and I'm one the the CCA IC. However, I think they don't see CCA Leader as some form of appointment or a KPI to hit even though I was appointed by the school. I heard that wanting to hold a leadership position in the fraternity is not encouraged. 😂 But I guess there are too many geo 5 in my school alr, so being able to head one committee or event is a big thing.
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