Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113965)

Hi, been a week since my interview and still no news. Saw many posts saying how they called back within days if successful. So I suppose it's a no-go?
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well, you may not be their 1st choice candidate but you still do have a chance if their 1st choice turns down the offer. As many posts here have mentioned, no news is good news.

Originally Posted by confused .. (Post 114130)

guys,as we all know this is army so cfm need follow black and white clearly when filling up information etc. so for the personal particulars form that we fill up when we apply dxo (the 10 pages form), the top put "use NA when applicable" and below that line states clearly ,"NO SPACE IS TO BE LEFT BLANK"

So there is this field to be filled up for the family members part, "name, address, dob, employer name etc", they gave 6 times of this to be filled up but i only have 3 family member. So for the extra 3 field, i just put in NA for the name, address,dob etc? technically im not wrong right? i followed instructions. There are other parts i did this too.

I just delete since I don't have so many members. Made it to the interview, don't worry.

Next, there is this part where it needs name of employer, address, designation but the things is all my part time job is like 10 years ago almost. and i dont even know whose the employer and his/her name, or even have his personal address or contact number,designation.. like that how?
If you want to indicate that you know a thing or two, you must at least have a document showing length of service such as payslip. Person to contact not crucial as nowadays no such thing as long service. Put the office general hotline and the person who supervised you. Call and reach a dead end person not working is also OK.


can just put the organization name as employer name? and the company address as the address . need to be so specific for the form?
i scared the form is used for clearance stage and if i not specific enough, wont be cleared.

Originally Posted by Unregistered 2 (Post 114152)

okay thanks, i guess i will delete the extra fields of family personal particulars before i print out, and for the assets part,i dont delete it,i just leave it blank rather than put NA on it or delete the WHOLE PART. think they wont bother so much also.

i now practicing for sudoku, jialat, i take around 20 mins to solve 1..

i read on someone blog that they are given 20 sudoku to do and see how many sudoku they can complete in 5 MINUTES? The online sodokus that i've tried, even the EASIEST mode i take 20 min sia for. Unless cmpb version have alot blanks already field in,only got few numbers to fill in.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114344)

Since this forum is anonymous I think people are more willing to be share.

I see a lot of mention of mx12, mx14.. Is this mx after dx, or is this the CEP grade?

How is CEP graded (div II III, mx 11a mx 14, grade 7 8 9....)and what is the range to be considered good for farmers with pass degree with solid relevant experience for the job

I understand that dx grade means room for growth. So some jobs are dx9, some dx9-10. However I also read that appointment means dollars n cents. Grade is superficial. What does appointment mean. Does it mean a team leader at dx9b gets more than a farmer at dx9p? So there is clearly an allowance if you volunteer for all the extra responsibilities? Or simple means PB is more?

I am hungry to do well despite many slamming the system, HR refuses to answer but I need direction and goal. Basically HR is sending a signal that farmers should not have goals n aims, just take salary n be happy.

Degree holder no honours with around 10 years of relevant experience. Under 40 yo with NS. Thank you for the quality advice.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114358)

Appointment can be something like although ur dx6 and ur office highest rank dxo is dx10, ur appointment is chief clerk, so ur the biggest in the office and not the dx10

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114345)

what does CEP look like? is it 7, 8, 9, or it mx 11a 12, 14, or div II, III?

HR is very tight-lipped about CEP, sends the message that DXO should just be a farmer and not be ambitious. Yet when talking about promotions, they are very excited to talk about the opportunity to seek opportunities through the system.

to me, it means, u can play around when u r sian, but don't think of climbing.

Since this forum is anonymous, please, advise. I appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114344)

Since this forum is anonymous I think people are more willing to be share.

I see a lot of mention of mx12, mx14.. Is this mx after dx, or is this the CEP grade?

How is CEP graded (div II III, mx 11a mx 14, grade 7 8 9....)and what is the range to be considered good for farmers with pass degree with solid relevant experience for the job

I understand that dx grade means room for growth. So some jobs are dx9, some dx9-10. However I also read that appointment means dollars n cents. Grade is superficial. What does appointment mean. Does it mean a team leader at dx9b gets more than a farmer at dx9p? So there is clearly an allowance if you volunteer for all the extra responsibilities? Or simple means PB is more?

I am hungry to do well despite many slamming the system, HR refuses to answer but I need direction and goal. Basically HR is sending a signal that farmers should not have goals n aims, just take salary n be happy.

Degree holder no honours with around 10 years of relevant experience. Under 40 yo with NS. Thank you for the quality advice.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114387)

let me shed a little light here. CEP is your 'endpoint' based on your performance. for example, LHL is destined to be a general and minister due to his performance and qualifications. if your CEP is to be a LTC, then they will promote you accordingly during your career..unless you exceed performance in the middle.. your CEP will not change. so you are expected a promotion within certain years. for DXOs, there isnt a CEP per se, but im sure they are able to estimate...

reason why they mentioned DXO is farmer. first, DXO careers paths are not planned out for us like for military personnel. DXO gets to choose our own paths. meaning, if there is an opening for DX13 post, and if im interested as a DX9, i can apply for it. getting it or not is another qn... you need to pass a higher level interview but ive seen DX10 applying for DX12 and getting it.. double promotion.and im sure thats why HR told you DXO is farmer.. cause if you dont seek your own opportunities.. you can stay DX10 your whole life.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114395)

Appreciate this much buddy.

They didn't say DXO is a farmer but it made me feel rather disappointed that it's so vague, like there's nothing positive to say.

If the system is like this, means I don't have to really excel in my job? I only need to impress my next boss sufficiently, to move up? But in reality of course bosses do chat over coffee and inform your next boss you are great/ok/cmi. Maybe that's why some suggest that curry favour is important.

Buddy can i further enquiry, there's some rumours that in the first year ONLY, one can jump from dx9 to dx 10, do you have any concept of this?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114402)

i not sure about other units or communities culture, but i have seen DXOs that wants to promote and do well and those that are happy with status quo. people that wants to do well tend to seek improvements in work processes and do extra work like projects or secondary appointments. those status quo people will be just happy with their primary job. no right or wrong... some has family, some cant OT. in ranking, all bosses will discuss.. so not just only your boss. you need to provide 'bullets' for your boss to help you. curry favour... not really.. cause in reality, what you do is there for all to see. of course, being likable wont do you any harm.

not sure where you heard that from... jump from DX9 to DX10 depends on your experience, ranking and performance. i know there certain criteria to jump to DX10. some communities are faster than the others, promotion wise. and btw in the first year.. your ranking is default C. you cant promote with just 1 year service. we are not LHL!

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114402)

i not sure about other units or communities culture, but i have seen DXOs that wants to promote and do well and those that are happy with status quo. people that wants to do well tend to seek improvements in work processes and do extra work like projects or secondary appointments. those status quo people will be just happy with their primary job. no right or wrong... some has family, some cant OT. in ranking, all bosses will discuss.. so not just only your boss. you need to provide 'bullets' for your boss to help you. curry favour... not really.. cause in reality, what you do is there for all to see. of course, being likable wont do you any harm.

not sure where you heard that from... jump from DX9 to DX10 depends on your experience, ranking and performance. i know there certain criteria to jump to DX10. some communities are faster than the others, promotion wise. and btw in the first year.. your ranking is default C. you cant promote with just 1 year service. we are not LHL!

Originally Posted by MEs curious (Post 114516)

Anyone knows of promotion wise for Military Experts?

Do they accept private degrees holders who have years of experience on cybersecurity and programming knowledge?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114388)

same guy here. i will just say appointment doesnt get you more money. example, i can be appointed as a OC of a unit.. as compared to another guy who is appointed staff officer of HQ.. both are DX9.. but we still draw the same pay scale.. though OC is a command appointment which is 'higher' appointment. i think your info slightly wrong. DX9B and DX9P definitely have different salaries. i think you you meant is DX9P can be paid more than DX10S.. which is possible. cause they overlap. PB is only determined by performance.. not rank. no extra allowance just because you are in higher appointment.

to do well, just keep performing. thats all. if you are good, bosses can see it and you can apply for higher appointments. else, be a farmer for 200-300 increment a year until ceiling is hit.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114406)

Thanks buddy appreciate you taking time to advise. Is this ranking intra dept, or inter the unit? I find it unfortunate if a unit has 3 dxo and each year they all know who will get A, B and C already.

If first year default C, those people who start in Jan are lucky due to longer runway and those who start in June are shortchanged.

I kind of like this system of self fulfillment as a DXO. It seems that those who want to rise must seek opportunities, and those who are happy just quietly do their work. However I am sure that there must be problems too. I heard from an ex uniformed officer, that he got his A grade by doing work outside his responsibilities, no point excelling in work in his primary job scope. This is very interesting to me. I guess it translates into getting appointment and doing well in them?

For dxo does appointment really translate into dollars monthly? Or does it mean dollars in terms of bonus pegged to A grade? So if I'm a dx9p, my salary can be equal to status quo dx10 if I take up many challenges?

Thank you for your advice.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114510)

Thanks, dunno what happened my reply is taking forever to be released by the mod.

Do you know, is ranking within the dept or within camp or all the DXO in SG?

Appointment is grabbed by the person themselves, or the boss will arrow to test your ability? I am quite a go-getter who wants to give back to public service. I am wondering if I must highlight my willingness to excel to my commander. My limited understanding of SAF is very top down. So if i must go to the top, then at least I won't waste time trying to impress my RO who maybe... Is not an achiever in the first place.

I heard from friends that if your reservist is all reservist, no regulars, it will be a culture shock when observe the regulars. It is as though entered another country under military law. First obey the laws, then do the job decently. Not do the job well and try to skirt around the laws as in corporate.

May I know what was the last known PB for C grade? Got 1.5 month?

Thank you for the replies

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114625)

Appreciate the time taken to write it.

So, appointment in simple English means, to take up more projects to earn points, and doing well in them to earn even more points. When there's enough points accumulated, the bosses will have ammunition to fight for your promotion (eg 9S -> 9P, P is higher than S right) , which translates into higher salary scale in less time, and remaining the the middle of salary range.

I was wondering why there's so many comments that Dx9 can/may earn equal to Dx10, is it because this DX9 has no projects to impress and be promoted, but paid close to ceiling due to mandatory increments? (as you mentioned)

In this case the high paid Dx9 is at the ceiling and avg paid Dx10 is at the lower end of the spectrum? Big fish in small pond vs small fish in ocean? I assume for go-getter the ocean is a better place.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114681)

DX9 can equal to DX10 because of banding. imagine the 2 salary range overlapping alot. for example only.. DX9S can be 3k to 5.5k. DX10S can be 3.5k to 6k. so even if you promote, it means nth if your starting is already low. you can be a DX10 and still earn the same as a old bird DX9. just that ceiling is higher. yes..it goes B to S then to P. going to P is rare.. unless you super old bird and cant promote further.

all that said... dont worry abt rank too much. see money more practical. in short, you wont get rich working in govt, but its decent. promotion is just depends on your ability.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114681)

DX9 can equal to DX10 because of banding. imagine the 2 salary range overlapping alot. for example only.. DX9S can be 3k to 5.5k. DX10S can be 3.5k to 6k. so even if you promote, it means nth if your starting is already low. you can be a DX10 and still earn the same as a old bird DX9. just that ceiling is higher. yes..it goes B to S then to P. going to P is rare.. unless you super old bird and cant promote further.

all that said... dont worry abt rank too much. see money more practical. in short, you wont get rich working in govt, but its decent. promotion is just depends on your ability.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114680)

sadly, in my community at least, those that the bosses wants to groom usually gets the projects. but of course you can highlight to your boss you want to do something.

last known PB C grade for my community is about 1.3 months. default C.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114750)

Hi all,

I would like to check if HR will contact you via email or phone call if you are selected for interview?

Seems to have differing methods base on previous threads.

Appreciate all responses.
Thank you! :)

Originally Posted by newbie94 (Post 114798)

Just wanna help those who are curious about the psychometric test. There are 3 parts to it.

1) First part is reasoning test. 60 questions to be completed within 30 minutes. Random paragraphs will be given and 4 questions will be asked for each paragraph. Only 3 possible answers - true, false and cannot tell. This part is the most difficult IMHO as most people couldn't finish on time.
It is quite difficult as it tests interpretation and at the same time your ability to follow the law of the word. For example only. The text says "men performed stellar in exams than girls in 1980s". The question asks, "men are generally more clever: T /F /CT". I would answer CT another person may interpret as T. Because the answer is not obvious, during my session most can finish but correct or not is another issue.

2) Second part is progressive matrices (i.e. pattern deduction). 60 questions within 20 minutes. Most were relatively straightforward.
during my session most of the unhappiness came from this booklet when the invigilator stopped the clock. Many participants proclaimed they completed 40 plus only.

3) Third and last part is personality questionnaire + problem solving. No time limit. 185 questions of which last 15 questions were problem solving. For example, they will ask you "Minute is to hour just as second is to ___."

Test shouldn't take longer than 2h 15min.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 114852)

Good on you buddy.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114966)

Hi,

Anyone knows the timeline from site preview to verbal offer?

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114998)

no timeline. if your boss like you during site preview, they will inform HR to offer you.

for myself, around 1 week because i immediately tell the boss i want join them and she immediately let HR know. after that depends on HR efficiency liao.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114998)

no timeline. if your boss like you during site preview, they will inform HR to offer you.

for myself, around 1 week because i immediately tell the boss i want join them and she immediately let HR know. after that depends on HR efficiency liao.

Originally Posted by Ambition (Post 115020)

Indeed depends on HR. Usually HR will try to combine the call with good news together with the ballpark salary. In my case I think i was a special case because i had a gap in employment, but in this gap i further my studies, and a couple of other matters that i know do affect the formula.

To be quantitative my good news (of being the top choice ) and the ball park salary was a week apart. So its like this. site previewInterview 1st day. Good news 8th day Ballpark salary 15th day. 8th day was because I sent a polite email to follow up, else maybe the call may come on 15th day.

On the day of site preview interview the second candidate did not turn up so I pounced on the opportunity to convince my boss of my strengths and sales talk a bit, and my boss was sold.

Show that you are hungry and not window shopping.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 114857)

HR contacted me with an approved offer.

On the portal, the position advertised is "director"

Based on the experience, I am overqualified. Based on the title, I am under qualified (now a manager) but I am sure I did well in the interview and my new boss likes me. Exceeded his expectation. I know I am behind my peers by at least 2k and 1 rank.

Current Salary = $9. Title=manager
Initial offer: Salary = $10. Title=director. Dx 12
Approved : Salary = $12. Title=Senior Mgr. Dx 11

What happened? Is anybody able to advise?

All is just an example, I just want to indicate that salary increased, the rest dropped.

I agree that that salary is king, I concur but I hope to know what's going on. The rank somewhat matters. if one day I go back to corporate, many invite you to the interview based on perceived rank too.

Should I press for the higher dx rank, will I lose out when it comes to ranking, PB etc?

Tq

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 115199)

Hi, I would like to ask if anyone knows about the actual job functions for a facilities manager? Does it involve alot of physical work such as climbing up heights etc..

Appreciate all responses. Thank you!