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Unregistered 15-01-2019 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113138)
I was offered a salary of $3.9k for a managerial position in dxo, a drop of almost $500 from my current pay. In terms of degree and experience, I have a FCH degree from local uni and almost 2.5 years of experience in the same field (finance). No army. Do you think this is a reasonable offer?

From what i’ve read in the forum, dxo fresh grad pay seems to be around this range, so i’m not sure if what they are offering me is reasonable?

hmmm i think you must compare your annual package. Normally public sector, they will see it as a whole. In public sector, 16 months package is pretty normal. use that as a benchmark and compare with your current.

Unregistered 18-01-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113138)
I was offered a salary of $3.9k for a managerial position in dxo, a drop of almost $500 from my current pay. In terms of degree and experience, I have a FCH degree from local uni and almost 2.5 years of experience in the same field (finance). No army. Do you think this is a reasonable offer?

From what i’ve read in the forum, dxo fresh grad pay seems to be around this range, so i’m not sure if what they are offering me is reasonable?

Thank you for informing the market rate for FCH. Useful for estimating our own package.

FCH usually straight up 500 more than a normal pass degree, good for you, get more money just for studying hard in NTU/NUS

Worth it or not is highly subjective to your needs. With FCH your potential is deemed higher than others, keep being loyal and promotions will come for free. You may not become rich in the office but you have time to pursue passive income.

I know of people who are rich in banks, but they work 16 hour days, sometimes weekends. Per hour yield their salary is no better than intern who go home on time. Yes they drive big car and have a nice house.

You decide what character are you.

Unregistered 22-01-2019 04:01 PM

How long to wait after psychometric test? 2 weeks?

Unregistered 22-01-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113288)
How long to wait after psychometric test? 2 weeks?

No news is good news. Peak hiring season, expect delays.

Unregistered 23-01-2019 07:28 AM

Mindef pay for for 2nd upper and fch are the same

Unregistered 23-01-2019 12:22 PM

Safety Investigation
 
Hi, thought some here might have gone for the same PT session this morning. Was thinking if there’s any insights on the Safety Investigation post? And the likely DX grade for this post (mid-career, some investigation-related experience)?

Unregistered 23-01-2019 09:26 PM

Interview
 
I was asked during my interview whether FT ministers like Janil Puthucheary should serve NS instead of avoiding it by giving excuses like saving babies. How should I answer it?

Unregistered 24-01-2019 06:42 PM

What’s your real opinion on it? If you disagree, it’s ok to be honest but be factual, not aggressively anti-govt. if anti-govt, why work in public service, right? Haha.

There’s also no point in saying something which you don’t believe in. Because they can tell.

Unregistered 28-01-2019 11:02 AM

anyone know the salary range for title "Manager"

Unregistered 29-01-2019 11:36 AM

180
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113311)
Hi, thought some here might have gone for the same PT session this morning. Was thinking if there’s any insights on the Safety Investigation post? And the likely DX grade for this post (mid-career, some investigation-related experience)?

Have you guys received a call for interview? Gone for the PT on 3rd.. still no reply

Unregistered 31-01-2019 01:55 PM

hi, just curious if there are currently any DXOs here who are private degree holders? (eg. from RMIT/UOL/UB)

I have a friend who is currently working as a DXO (diploma holder) and she informed me that all of her colleagues (degree holders) are from local universities. I understand that naturally MINDEF would prioritise local university graduates and tend to hire more of them as well.

However, I'm a private degree holder and I took the PT yesterday. Not a fresh grad, I do have 3 years of working experience where i had to liaise with MINDEF personnel (regulars/NSmen/DXOs) due to the nature of my job and another 2.5 years of experience which is relevant to the position I applied for. Just wondering if there is a possibility for me to score an interview (provided I did well for the PT) and that they would consider people like me who are from private universities?

Unregistered 31-01-2019 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113550)
hi, just curious if there are currently any DXOs here who are private degree holders? (eg. from RMIT/UOL/UB)

I have a friend who is currently working as a DXO (diploma holder) and she informed me that all of her colleagues (degree holders) are from local universities. I understand that naturally MINDEF would prioritise local university graduates and tend to hire more of them as well.

However, I'm a private degree holder and I took the PT yesterday. Not a fresh grad, I do have 3 years of working experience where i had to liaise with MINDEF personnel (regulars/NSmen/DXOs) due to the nature of my job and another 2.5 years of experience which is relevant to the position I applied for. Just wondering if there is a possibility for me to score an interview (provided I did well for the PT) and that they would consider people like me who are from private universities?

I think their policy is not to accept private degree.
Might emplace you at diploma level

Unregistered 31-01-2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113550)
hi, just curious if there are currently any DXOs here who are private degree holders? (eg. from RMIT/UOL/UB)

I have a friend who is currently working as a DXO (diploma holder) and she informed me that all of her colleagues (degree holders) are from local universities. I understand that naturally MINDEF would prioritise local university graduates and tend to hire more of them as well.

However, I'm a private degree holder and I took the PT yesterday. Not a fresh grad, I do have 3 years of working experience where i had to liaise with MINDEF personnel (regulars/NSmen/DXOs) due to the nature of my job and another 2.5 years of experience which is relevant to the position I applied for. Just wondering if there is a possibility for me to score an interview (provided I did well for the PT) and that they would consider people like me who are from private universities?


Dont be disheartened, I just got offered and accepted a role into a ministry. SIM-UOL background.

Unregistered 01-02-2019 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113558)
Dont be disheartened, I just got offered and accepted a role into a ministry. SIM-UOL background.

thanks for your response! would you mind just sharing which dept and rank?

Unregistered 01-02-2019 09:02 PM

Cant say which dept but one of the main ministries. Was given MX12, pay on par with local grads for 2nd-lower hons. So just keep whacking haha

Unregistered 11-02-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113550)
hi, just curious if there are currently any DXOs here who are private degree holders? (eg. from RMIT/UOL/UB)

I have a friend who is currently working as a DXO (diploma holder) and she informed me that all of her colleagues (degree holders) are from local universities. I understand that naturally MINDEF would prioritise local university graduates and tend to hire more of them as well.

However, I'm a private degree holder and I took the PT yesterday. Not a fresh grad, I do have 3 years of working experience where i had to liaise with MINDEF personnel (regulars/NSmen/DXOs) due to the nature of my job and another 2.5 years of experience which is relevant to the position I applied for. Just wondering if there is a possibility for me to score an interview (provided I did well for the PT) and that they would consider people like me who are from private universities?

I think that the fact that they invited you to PT, already means they are giving you a chance to prove yourself to be of a certain caliber worth to take a second look. The problem is the PT weeds out more than 90% of candidates at stage 1. those that remain are usually highly experienced, sometimes without qualification due to lack of opportunity. if you are young and qualified, the PT is, unfortunately, there to filter you.

my degree is also private, from SIM-AUS. before I obtained my higher degree from NTU, straight rejection 5 years in a row, not even step into PT. The moment I keyed in my higher degree, the system stopped sending me rejection email within 2 working days. Yes, this shows that the system is still rather dogmatic, not really pragmatic, despite all the sales talk around August.

I have waited almost 2 months from PT to interview, and almost 1 month to finally "site visit" next week. No news is good news. Finally, for non-uniformed, the salary is usually below the market.

Unregistered 11-02-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 109968)
Anybody did a written test before the interview? May I know what to expect?
Thanks in advance!

Me! Twice in fact. The test will relate to the position you are applying for.

Unregistered 13-02-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113745)
Me! Twice in fact. The test will relate to the position you are applying for.

My question was completely unrelated to my position. I suspect it is because my future boss is does not believe one question can determine if a person is suitable, so HR just throw out a general soft skills question for protocol.

Unregistered 13-02-2019 07:32 PM

My Pt was 23 Jan.. and it’s been radio silence from then till now...

Unregistered 14-02-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113791)
My Pt was 23 Jan.. and it’s been radio silence from then till now...

HR reply my email from 5 days ago, at 11pm. 2 HR ladies handling 1000s of applications. This was in Dec. Now they don't even reply queries.

3 days become 5 days
Pt-interview from 1 week become 1 month
Interview-preview from 1 week become 1 month

From the info I gathered, if you are not the top choice, you possibly wait another 1 month from site preview, praying for the top candidate to reject the offer before it comes to you.

No news is good news!

Unregistered 15-02-2019 07:32 AM

DXO Job Locations
 
Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows how the job locations for DXO is decided? How do I know if certain jobs are based in CMPB or camps?

Thanks!

Unregistered 15-02-2019 08:37 AM

Yes I would love to know how the locations are chosen as well, some of them are too far from home but it’s not possible to tell during the initial job application period

Unregistered 15-02-2019 05:54 PM

Hi there i do understand every estab got different salary scale but i would like to check with u all the MINIMUM/LOWEST i can expect to get..

assuming im applying for a manager position, not sure if it is DX9, I graduated from suss and lets just ASSUME that among all the local university,it is ranked LAST.. My degree dont have a honours system, only got pass or pass with merit so lets just treat as i only get PASS,no full time work experience also.

Which means most likely im getting the lowest among the salary scale for dx9 and how much would i receive most likely? I've completed NS also. Does 3k BASIC per month sounds okay for a dx9 position based on whatever i have mentioned above (ranked last local uni, Degree with PASS, NO work experience)? or still can ask for higher.

Unregistered 15-02-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113835)
Hi there i do understand every estab got different salary scale but i would like to check with u all the MINIMUM/LOWEST i can expect to get..

assuming im applying for a manager position, not sure if it is DX9, I graduated from suss and lets just ASSUME that among all the local university,it is ranked LAST.. My degree dont have a honours system, only got pass or pass with merit so lets just treat as i only get PASS,no full time work experience also.

Which means most likely im getting the lowest among the salary scale for dx9 and how much would i receive most likely? I've completed NS also. Does 3k BASIC per month sounds okay for a dx9 position based on whatever i have mentioned above (ranked last local uni, Degree with PASS, NO work experience)? or still can ask for higher.

based on experience, you can expect to get about 3.5k onwards. about 100 more per each class. 300 more for NS. but however, i get the sensing that HR is lowballing new entrants recently. so not sure as my info is about 3-4 years ago.

Unregistered 15-02-2019 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113820)
Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows how the job locations for DXO is decided? How do I know if certain jobs are based in CMPB or camps?

Thanks!

unfortunately, you wont be able to tell during job application. only when you passed the PT and reach the interview stage, then you will know exactly is your job scope and location. these are for security reasons i guess.

Unregistered 15-02-2019 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113835)
Hi there i do understand every estab got different salary scale but i would like to check with u all the MINIMUM/LOWEST i can expect to get..

assuming im applying for a manager position, not sure if it is DX9, I graduated from suss and lets just ASSUME that among all the local university,it is ranked LAST.. My degree dont have a honours system, only got pass or pass with merit so lets just treat as i only get PASS,no full time work experience also.

Which means most likely im getting the lowest among the salary scale for dx9 and how much would i receive most likely? I've completed NS also. Does 3k BASIC per month sounds okay for a dx9 position based on whatever i have mentioned above (ranked last local uni, Degree with PASS, NO work experience)? or still can ask for higher.

the thing about gov is that they don't lowball you. And as a precaution, do not add in NS exp in your expected salary. To be safe, stating lower at 2.8k will be good, but you will be getting more than that

Unregistered 16-02-2019 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113842)
unfortunately, you wont be able to tell during job application. only when you passed the PT and reach the interview stage, then you will know exactly is your job scope and location. these are for security reasons i guess.

Concurr. So it means you don't know the precise work location and scope until 2-4 weeks after PT.

If u have no transport and the camp is far - most are inconvenient - you may be asked the golden question--are you willing to travel.
Actually be glad they ask. Some just don't shortlist you, especially fresh grad. No experience to offer yet high risk of lateness and resignation.

Unregistered 16-02-2019 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113835)
Hi there i do understand every estab got different salary scale but i would like to check with u all the MINIMUM/LOWEST i can expect to get..

assuming im applying for a manager position, not sure if it is DX9, I graduated from suss and lets just ASSUME that among all the local university,it is ranked LAST.. My degree dont have a honours system, only got pass or pass with merit so lets just treat as i only get PASS,no full time work experience also.

Which means most likely im getting the lowest among the salary scale for dx9 and how much would i receive most likely? I've completed NS also. Does 3k BASIC per month sounds okay for a dx9 position based on whatever i have mentioned above (ranked last local uni, Degree with PASS, NO work experience)? or still can ask for higher.

My unofficial data collection, dx9 2.6k for the most plain vanilla pass degree with national service. Do note that it's public servant scheme, slightly different from private sector calculation.

People without amazing qualification should steer clear from public sector. Their benchmark weighting is heavy on paper qualification.

Unregistered 17-02-2019 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113841)
based on experience, you can expect to get about 3.5k onwards. about 100 more per each class. 300 more for NS. but however, i get the sensing that HR is lowballing new entrants recently. so not sure as my info is about 3-4 years ago.

oh. 3.5k for pass degree, no work experience and also excluding ns added amount for dx9?

That sounds alot. but then at the same time,some say is 2.6 some is 2.8 but i believe each job position got their own salary scale right? Like for eg, if its 3k, u ask for 2.8, they will still give u 3k because thats the lowest point (3k, and there is also a highest point) in the salary scale under its policy, cannot anyhow give so sure got one amount is the correct one.

but if its 3.5 for a hr position then quite worth because HR degree holders, no work exp can only start as a HR recruiter first. Usually hr jobs on job portals, only hr recruiter can join as no experience. No such thing as hr learning and development entry level job,no experience needed or compensation and benefits specialist, no work experience needed.
Also, hr recruiter dont really require a degree (o level cert also can be one) to be one (something like marketing/business cert, dont need marketing cert to do marketing etc) so no exp hr recruiter job for degree usually is around 1.8 to 2k basic.

so if its 3.5, thats like two times more sia ,the salary (1.8 x2)

Unregistered 18-02-2019 11:07 AM

Sadly I somewhat agree
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113841)
based on experience, you can expect to get about 3.5k onwards. about 100 more per each class. 300 more for NS. but however, i get the sensing that HR is lowballing new entrants recently. so not sure as my info is about 3-4 years ago.

I agree. I also feel that mindef low ball new entrants recently. My ex boss in stat board shared with me that directive since 2017 was to make it difficult and unattractive to join public service as SME are suffering from shortage of workers.

How many people are glad to take 3k and work 10-12 hours a day with no guarantee of 13th month or bonus?

But on the flip side, I still hear of people getting 4k with minimum exp for programming and financial jobs in public service so, could be demand and supply. Could also be ego inflated numbers.

Unregistered 18-02-2019 11:17 AM

Query on expected salary
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113847)
the thing about gov is that they don't lowball you. And as a precaution, do not add in NS exp in your expected salary. To be safe, stating lower at 2.8k will be good, but you will be getting more than that

Sounds like words of wisdom from HR. When Mindef HR calls to asks you about expected salary, is this number going to be inflated later upon proper calculation and NS consideration? Not talking about the offer after site preview. Nowadays they do call high potential candidates after PT.

Unregistered 18-02-2019 11:46 AM

Compare Apple with Apple
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113890)
oh. 3.5k for pass degree, no work experience and also excluding ns added amount for dx9?

That sounds alot. but then at the same time,some say is 2.6 some is 2.8 but i believe each job position got their own salary scale right? Like for eg, if its 3k, u ask for 2.8, they will still give u 3k because thats the lowest point (3k, and there is also a highest point) in the salary scale under its policy, cannot anyhow give so sure got one amount is the correct one.

but if its 3.5 for a hr position then quite worth because HR degree holders, no work exp can only start as a HR recruiter first. Usually hr jobs on job portals, only hr recruiter can join as no experience. No such thing as hr learning and development entry level job,no experience needed or compensation and benefits specialist, no work experience needed.
Also, hr recruiter dont really require a degree (o level cert also can be one) to be one (something like marketing/business cert, dont need marketing cert to do marketing etc) so no exp hr recruiter job for degree usually is around 1.8 to 2k basic.

so if its 3.5, thats like two times more sia ,the salary (1.8 x2)

Buddy you seem to be comparing apples and oranges. If you intend to compete using a degree, for diploma jobs, naturally you will be paid diploma salary. If you want to do the work of a recruiter, you may consider being a recruitment consultant that pays commission per headcount. Those agencies prefer degree holders and are willing to pay accordingly.

If you compare the package of a recruitment consultant, 3k is basic pay. Commission can double it. Then we are comparing Apple with Apple. However job security is non existant.

Yes, each field has its salary scale. But in this sense ministry never low ball. If u put 2k they will calculate accordingly and pay u the minimum 3.5k the system says u deserve. Stat board for sure loves to low ball, especially if their financial statement is consistently in the red.

Unregistered 20-02-2019 03:18 PM

hmm i know what ur talking about but i actually tried applied jobs since last year already 100 over jobs. so far i havent see a HR graduate (degree), totally no work experience allows them to get 3k basic monthly for recruiter or hr entry level position eh? While the dx9 allows no experienced hr graduates to apply for and offers around 3k for lowest amount they will receive.

That's why i was wondering why u mentioned about apples vs oranges haha..

Like on the job portal, even for HR degree holder, no experience,the job salary range is around 1.8k to 2k basic based on what i saw (for HR). And the degree and diploma pay for hr personnel dont differ much, is like the same, 1.8 to 2.0k .. Which is why my assumption on Hr recruiter dont need degree to be one,which is why the 1.8 to 2.0k salary range.

For the 3k basic monthly salary u talking about, i have seen jobs that offer this amount but it is based on things like 3-5 years work experience hr degree holder. and those like 1 to 3 years probably is like max mid 2k range (even for HR generalist position)

Unregistered 20-02-2019 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113940)
hmm i know what ur talking about but i actually tried applied jobs since last year already 100 over jobs. so far i havent see a HR graduate (degree), totally no work experience allows them to get 3k basic monthly for recruiter or hr entry level position eh? While the dx9 allows no experienced hr graduates to apply for and offers around 3k for lowest amount they will receive.
The real job scope will be revealed at the interview. Mindef is a very risk adverse organization. They want people who can react during crucial times, and they are willing to pay good money for this readiness 10% of the time. But I don't deny the possibility that indeed what you say may come true!

That's why i was wondering why u mentioned about apples vs oranges haha..
MINDEF never posts the real job scope. They disguise it under a title that mortals can relate to. To make matters worse, sometimes when u step into office to meet your RO, you may get new instruction that actually we need you to do this.... not that... Then after 3-6 months of hypertension clearing PT, G50, just do... , resigning is a bad idea as peak hiring season is over. Maybe that's why u don't understand what I mean by Apple to Apple. Sorry for confusing you

Like on the job portal, even for HR degree holder, no experience,the job salary range is around 1.8k to 2k basic based on what i saw (for HR). And the degree and diploma pay for hr personnel dont differ much, is like the same, 1.8 to 2.0k .. Which is why my assumption on Hr recruiter dont need degree to be one,which is why the 1.8 to 2.0k salary range.
Not sure why, the HR roles that demand for a degree holder I come across are not so lowly paid..but friends in HR have told me that HR is sunset job already. Everybody invest in software and force staff to go into system to do claims. So each organization now only hires 1 with brains maybe director, then 1 or 2 executive to be the helper to open door, prep for interview, photocopy etc, so I understand your POV, how to pay helper well to do menial tasks?

For the 3k basic monthly salary u talking about, i have seen jobs that offer this amount but it is based on things like 3-5 years work experience hr degree holder. and those like 1 to 3 years probably is like max mid 2k range (even for HR generalist position)
I'm suggesting headhunting/executive search companies like Kelly, Recruit express, I'm absolutely sure no experience also can. Just need you to be willing to sell. The danger is, you are walking the plank every month praying to hit sales target

Do see the above replies in bold. I am not in HR it's just my noob opinion.

Unregistered 20-02-2019 07:38 PM

ya i saw recruit express, basic salary even for degree holder,no experience at all also around 1.3k to 1.6k like that.

Unregistered 21-02-2019 11:27 AM

Hi, been a week since my interview and still no news. Saw many posts saying how they called back within days if successful. So I suppose it's a no-go?

Unregistered 21-02-2019 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113965)
Hi, been a week since my interview and still no news. Saw many posts saying how they called back within days if successful. So I suppose it's a no-go?

well, you may not be their 1st choice candidate but you still do have a chance if their 1st choice turns down the offer. As many posts here have mentioned, no news is good news.

Unregistered 22-02-2019 11:36 AM

hi, anyone here did PT on 30 Jan and then shortlisted for an interview for the executive (HR) position?

Unregistered 24-02-2019 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113947)
ya i saw recruit express, basic salary even for degree holder,no experience at all also around 1.3k to 1.6k like that.

Used to be a proper 2.5k for degree, before commission at Kelly. RE is that low now... Oh my

Unregistered 24-02-2019 12:33 AM

Don't lose hope
 
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113965)
Hi, been a week since my interview and still no news. Saw many posts saying how they called back within days if successful. So I suppose it's a no-go?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 113969)
well, you may not be their 1st choice candidate but you still do have a chance if their 1st choice turns down the offer. As many posts here have mentioned, no news is good news.

I agree. Don't lose hope, but on the flip side don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't be silly and reject other good offers. If one comes along, grab it. After all Mindef still needs u to go for site preview which is round 3, after round 2 of sales talk with the commander. After that still have round 4 which is clearance. Clearance you cannot control, so just pray. Sometimes people already worked 3 months at another company then Mindef invite to sign on the dotted line.possible especially if you are second choice and the first choice candidate really took their sweet time to consider and reject.

I know of someone who waited 3 weeks between IV and site. Commander said he was overseas duty for 2 weeks.


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