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Unregistered 20-06-2022 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 222621)
Wouldn't certain people decide that "lucrative = competitive" and hence conclude that there is no need for some schemes e.g. specialist schemes to be adjusted?

Just saying coz it happened before in certain places...

there's a reason why DXOs or military personnel are paid a slight premium as compared to their civil service counterparts. reasons i wont delve into. just note that DXOs are subjected to military laws also and do perform duties beyond their job scopes. defence is not 8 to 5. but maybe passport making is. :D

and of course, if MINDEF reviews that the salary is market competitive, then there wont be any adjustments. but based on my opinion, there would likely be as the civil service has had a increment. to have that premium, MINDEF would probably increase the salaries a little. mainly to be competitive and counter inflation i guess?

Unregistered 20-06-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 222695)
there's a reason why DXOs or military personnel are paid a slight premium as compared to their civil service counterparts. reasons i wont delve into. just note that DXOs are subjected to military laws also and do perform duties beyond their job scopes. defence is not 8 to 5. but maybe passport making is. :D

and of course, if MINDEF reviews that the salary is market competitive, then there wont be any adjustments. but based on my opinion, there would likely be as the civil service has had a increment. to have that premium, MINDEF would probably increase the salaries a little. mainly to be competitive and counter inflation i guess?

yup agree with you, and i support any salary adjustment too, especially in this current climate.

just that, if we look at other parts of the civil service, there have been times where reviews were conducted that it was decided that the salary scale is still market competitive -_- i guess we can only hope for the best...

Unregistered 20-06-2022 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 222694)
you probably only encountered low level DXOs (i.e DXO equivalent to maybe a 1SG or SSG), due to your job scope/rank. may want to expand your horizons more. Defence is not just weapons and equipment. i guess to you its a zero sum game. Take care :D

Wow...you even label them as "low level DXOs". Please get off your high horse.

We all know defence is important. No one disputes this.

But we also know that defence is given a ridiculously high portion of the budget that is not even subject to audit !!! How absurd is this?

I have family members who are DXOs and I know for sure that a lot of their work is just due to unnecessary bloating of the organization that cannot stop. Ask them how crucial their work is to the defence purpose of MINDEF, and most of them will not be able to give you a straight answer.

These DXOs don't even face the same stress that arises from working with members of the public. I'm not saying this out of spite, but its embarassing that other stat boards and ministries are getting less remuneration just because MINDEF keeps spewing the holy word of "defence" to justify its excessive budget.

Unregistered 20-06-2022 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 222695)
there's a reason why DXOs or military personnel are paid a slight premium as compared to their civil service counterparts. reasons i wont delve into. just note that DXOs are subjected to military laws also and do perform duties beyond their job scopes. defence is not 8 to 5. but maybe passport making is. :D

and of course, if MINDEF reviews that the salary is market competitive, then there wont be any adjustments. but based on my opinion, there would likely be as the civil service has had a increment. to have that premium, MINDEF would probably increase the salaries a little. mainly to be competitive and counter inflation i guess?

You ridicule those working at ICA? You are precisely the type of public servant that Singapore doesn't need. How sad.

I think you should be getting a paycut instead. Stop inflating the things that you do, as much as you want to consider it as "real work".

Unregistered 21-06-2022 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 222749)
Wow...you even label them as "low level DXOs". Please get off your high horse.

We all know defence is important. No one disputes this.

But we also know that defence is given a ridiculously high portion of the budget that is not even subject to audit !!! How absurd is this?

I have family members who are DXOs and I know for sure that a lot of their work is just due to unnecessary bloating of the organization that cannot stop. Ask them how crucial their work is to the defence purpose of MINDEF, and most of them will not be able to give you a straight answer.

These DXOs don't even face the same stress that arises from working with members of the public. I'm not saying this out of spite, but its embarassing that other stat boards and ministries are getting less remuneration just because MINDEF keeps spewing the holy word of "defence" to justify its excessive budget.

there again, you need to expand your horizons or get more information regarding DXOs. im unsure what your DXOs family members is doing or at what level are they working as. if they are working adminstratively in HR or finance and think they dont contribute enough, thats pretty sad. every organisation's admin roles are not crucial in their eyes or your eyes probably. but it would not function without them. but i digress.

stress is subjective. again, you have to be inside an organisation to understand the culture. unless you are implying that all public facing stat boards are more stressful than those who are not as a generalization, then i cant help you. DXOs do have operational roles btw. again, maybe expand your knowledge more.

im not here to debate. i only request you to keep an open mind about what DXOs do and not use a 'frog in well' attitude to dismiss what DXOs do. Btw, from what you said about defence not subjected to audit, you have already shown your lack of awareness or knowledge about govt organisations and how they are accountable to the public. maybe talk to more people and understand better. cheers.

defence budget is a whole other topic. theres a reason for it being the highest. if you truly understand singapores position in the world, then you would know. have a great day. :D

Unregistered 21-06-2022 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 222751)
You ridicule those working at ICA? You are precisely the type of public servant that Singapore doesn't need. How sad.

I think you should be getting a paycut instead. Stop inflating the things that you do, as much as you want to consider it as "real work".

im not ridiculing ICA's work. they have their own set of difficulties. it is to show you that DXOs dont all work 8-5 and deserve that little premium. you seem to place higher emphasis on public facing agencies, which is your own opinion and isnt right or wrong. it seems that you have a deep misunderstanding of DXOs based on your interactions during NS or family members.

again, expand your horizons. or are you suggesting that MINDEF should get rid of all DXOs or even the military because we dont do 'real work'?

Unregistered 22-06-2022 01:23 PM

Recently applied for a manager role in mindef (tech side), just graduated from PT degree in SUSS, but they requested to put me in a senior role instead.

6 years relevant experience
with NS
2nd lower hons

My current pay is around 5k plus since i'm working in pte sector now.
How much could I ask for if i cross over to mindef?

Unregistered 22-06-2022 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223036)
Recently applied for a manager role in mindef (tech side), just graduated from PT degree in SUSS, but they requested to put me in a senior role instead.

6 years relevant experience
with NS
2nd lower hons

My current pay is around 5k plus since i'm working in pte sector now.
How much could I ask for if i cross over to mindef?

depends on what is the senior role. if its Senior manager, you can try for around 6k+ if your skills/exp is relevant to what they are looking for.

if they are asking you to be assistant director (1 higher than senior manager), you can ask for higher.

btw, its my 2 cents and not to be taken as straight facts as i do not really know how renumeration works in MINDEF.

Unregistered 23-06-2022 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223036)
Recently applied for a manager role in mindef (tech side), just graduated from PT degree in SUSS, but they requested to put me in a senior role instead.

6 years relevant experience
with NS
2nd lower hons

My current pay is around 5k plus since i'm working in pte sector now.
How much could I ask for if i cross over to mindef?

That will depend on whether your annual pay includes AWS or not

Unregistered 23-06-2022 05:46 PM

Mindef Job application
 
Hello,
Spent a few days in reading all the posts in this forum, benefited a lot.

I submitted my application last week but there is no sound at all till now. Wanna know if Mindef will auto filter out those who are not born as Singaporean but converted Singaporean.

Any kind soul have idea on this?

Unregistered 23-06-2022 08:09 PM

when covid is at its worse, which gov agency steps up? Defence....
when there is big international events or incidents, which gov agency steps up? Defence
pls wake up and see why defence is emphasized especially when ukraine is able to defend so long with its citizen army.

Unregistered 23-06-2022 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223170)
when covid is at its worse, which gov agency steps up? Defence....
when there is big international events or incidents, which gov agency steps up? Defence
pls wake up and see why defence is emphasized especially when ukraine is able to defend so long with its citizen army.

Please la, MINDEF only came in at the end to wayang because they got a supply of free labour (hello NSFs). Which other gov agency got free labour to use?

Big international events or incidents are done by different ministries. Financial events are organized by MOF and MAS. Environmental events are organized by MSE. Shangri-La Dialogue is organized by MINDEF. If got financial crisis who respond? Of course MTI, MOF, and MAS la. If got flooding who respond? Of course LTA and PUB la.

You so blinded by your support for MINDEF that you keep thinking MINDEF has the heaviest responsibility in Singapore. This is wrong.

There is no doubt that Defence is important. No one disputes this. But this cannot be a cheat code to extract as much resources as you can from the national budget. The fact of the matter is that Defence has been playing up this reason to justify its ridiculous spending. There is so much waste in MINDEF and SAF lying around. People order things they don't use. Hire people for roles that are unnecessary. It's sad that this behaviour continues to be accepted because whenever you challenge them, they will just say that "defence is paramount" and that the "output of their work cannot be quantified".

I'm sure there are many roles in MINDEF that are crucial to the security of the country. But I'm also sure that there are just as many roles in MINDEF that do not serve a real purpose. It's high time for a detailed and impartial review of the job functions in MINDEF. Keep what we want and discard the rest.

Unregistered 25-06-2022 11:48 AM

Anybody applied for DXO position and got contacted recently? I applied on 15 Jun but till now radio silence.

Unregistered 25-06-2022 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223171)
Please la, MINDEF only came in at the end to wayang because they got a supply of free labour (hello NSFs). Which other gov agency got free labour to use?

Big international events or incidents are done by different ministries. Financial events are organized by MOF and MAS. Environmental events are organized by MSE. Shangri-La Dialogue is organized by MINDEF. If got financial crisis who respond? Of course MTI, MOF, and MAS la. If got flooding who respond? Of course LTA and PUB la.

You so blinded by your support for MINDEF that you keep thinking MINDEF has the heaviest responsibility in Singapore. This is wrong.

There is no doubt that Defence is important. No one disputes this. But this cannot be a cheat code to extract as much resources as you can from the national budget. The fact of the matter is that Defence has been playing up this reason to justify its ridiculous spending. There is so much waste in MINDEF and SAF lying around. People order things they don't use. Hire people for roles that are unnecessary. It's sad that this behaviour continues to be accepted because whenever you challenge them, they will just say that "defence is paramount" and that the "output of their work cannot be quantified".

I'm sure there are many roles in MINDEF that are crucial to the security of the country. But I'm also sure that there are just as many roles in MINDEF that do not serve a real purpose. It's high time for a detailed and impartial review of the job functions in MINDEF. Keep what we want and discard the rest.

i guess we are not going to convince you otherwise. sadly i dont have the IQ or eloquence to broaden your mind. you are probably those that thinks NDP is a waste of money, helping other countries during natural disasters are a waste of money. i shall leave it as such and let time mature your mind and thinking. cheers.

Unregistered 02-07-2022 08:45 PM

You should migrate overseas then.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 223171)
Please la, MINDEF only came in at the end to wayang because they got a supply of free labour (hello NSFs). Which other gov agency got free labour to use?

Big international events or incidents are done by different ministries. Financial events are organized by MOF and MAS. Environmental events are organized by MSE. Shangri-La Dialogue is organized by MINDEF. If got financial crisis who respond? Of course MTI, MOF, and MAS la. If got flooding who respond? Of course LTA and PUB la.

You so blinded by your support for MINDEF that you keep thinking MINDEF has the heaviest responsibility in Singapore. This is wrong.

There is no doubt that Defence is important. No one disputes this. But this cannot be a cheat code to extract as much resources as you can from the national budget. The fact of the matter is that Defence has been playing up this reason to justify its ridiculous spending. There is so much waste in MINDEF and SAF lying around. People order things they don't use. Hire people for roles that are unnecessary. It's sad that this behaviour continues to be accepted because whenever you challenge them, they will just say that "defence is paramount" and that the "output of their work cannot be quantified".

I'm sure there are many roles in MINDEF that are crucial to the security of the country. But I'm also sure that there are just as many roles in MINDEF that do not serve a real purpose. It's high time for a detailed and impartial review of the job functions in MINDEF. Keep what we want and discard the rest.


Unregistered 02-07-2022 11:45 PM

Slow progression
 
The progression for dxos is slow.

Look at post on rsn facebook page. How is this even news.

Copy from fb:

Having been a part of the Naval Plans Department (NPLD) since 2008, Ms Karen Koh has witnessed the growth and development of our Navy over the years.
Together with her team, Karen is responsible for planning the operations and support budget for our naval facilities, including overseeing the construction, maintenance, and upgrading of our naval infrastructure.
Karen is currently involved in improving the environmental sustainability of our Navy's infrastructure by innovatively incorporating energy-efficient elements.
In recognition of her contributions over the years, Karen will be promoted from DX10 to DX11. Congratulations on the well-deserved promotion! 👏🏻

Unregistered 03-07-2022 09:56 PM

Hi,

I am considering applying to DXO as counsellor.

Can anyone share some light about what would the pay scale for counsellor be like and the jobscope?

TIA.

Unregistered 04-07-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224283)
The progression for dxos is slow.

Look at post on rsn facebook page. How is this even news.

Copy from fb:

Having been a part of the Naval Plans Department (NPLD) since 2008, Ms Karen Koh has witnessed the growth and development of our Navy over the years.
Together with her team, Karen is responsible for planning the operations and support budget for our naval facilities, including overseeing the construction, maintenance, and upgrading of our naval infrastructure.
Karen is currently involved in improving the environmental sustainability of our Navy's infrastructure by innovatively incorporating energy-efficient elements.
In recognition of her contributions over the years, Karen will be promoted from DX10 to DX11. Congratulations on the well-deserved promotion! 👏🏻

WTS. 2008 till now is donkey years. Only dx11….

Unregistered 04-07-2022 05:00 PM

I recently applied for manager role in mindef, and was told I'd have to go for some written test? How's the test like in terms of difficulty? how long does it roughly take and when is the earliest I can get the results? Does the test require some level of IQ?

Unregistered 04-07-2022 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224435)
I recently applied for manager role in mindef, and was told I'd have to go for some written test? How's the test like in terms of difficulty? how long does it roughly take and when is the earliest I can get the results? Does the test require some level of IQ?

I think different positions might have different written tests. I recall that I was informed about a written test in the same email as interview.

Unregistered 04-07-2022 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224413)
WTS. 2008 till now is donkey years. Only dx11….

DXO is considered specialist scheme, is quite lucrative

Unregistered 05-07-2022 01:36 PM

Can I check what’s the

B, S, P behind the grades?

Which one better?

Unregistered 05-07-2022 05:11 PM

Hi, i was so called being offered by mindef HR.
They are putting up a proposal for management approval. I got a call from them a mth ago, HR asked me my pay range and i gave my minimal expectations exclude bonus.

To be honest, my current job gives a good bonus tagged to my perf over last few years (>4mths), bad times 2 mths minimal. Not too sure abt here but is it possible to neg if the approval is passed??

Unregistered 05-07-2022 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224515)
Can I check what’s the

B, S, P behind the grades?

Which one better?

its just to show your salary range in your particular rank. B lowest. P highest.

Unregistered 06-07-2022 11:32 PM

Hi does anyone know the DX10 salary? Glassdoor not sure whether accurate

Unregistered 07-07-2022 10:18 PM

no news on the incre?

Unregistered 07-07-2022 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224531)
its just to show your salary range in your particular rank. B lowest. P highest.

Does DX11 or DX12 have the same?

Unregistered 13-07-2022 04:50 PM

Anyone knows how much a fresh grad engineer DXO is being paid? Male 2ND lower SIT

Unregistered 15-07-2022 05:22 PM

I recently did my reasoning test and some written exercises for SID.
Interestingly, they also had 2 personality tests, one on site and one through an email url.
Does anyone know how long it takes for me to receive the results of the test?

Unregistered 19-07-2022 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 224473)
DXO is considered specialist scheme, is quite lucrative

Is this HR. Social media post already shows how slow the progression is, takes 14 years to reach dx11. Even if specialist scheme so what.

Unregistered 21-07-2022 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 225904)
Is this HR. Social media post already shows how slow the progression is, takes 14 years to reach dx11. Even if specialist scheme so what.

What slow? Is an honor to serve progression just leave it to the superiors.

Unregistered 31-07-2022 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 225904)
Is this HR. Social media post already shows how slow the progression is, takes 14 years to reach dx11. Even if specialist scheme so what.

why need 14 yrs to reach dx11? senior manager only i see frens 4-5 yrs get alr, need 10 yrs more do wad? orientation program mates 5th yr i see from osn alr assistant director already.

Unregistered 31-07-2022 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 226833)
why need 14 yrs to reach dx11? senior manager only i see frens 4-5 yrs get alr, need 10 yrs more do wad? orientation program mates 5th yr i see from osn alr assistant director already.

Bro, senior manager and assistant director 3-5 years can get alr. Nothing to shout about.

In fact civil service titles are inflated

Unregistered 31-07-2022 05:34 PM

Anybody knows recently how soon from site preview till offer ? Wil HR not inform verbal offer but screen first ?

Unregistered 31-07-2022 07:45 PM

Any pay adjustment for DXOs?

Unregistered 31-07-2022 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 226932)
Anybody knows recently how soon from site preview till offer ? Wil HR not inform verbal offer but screen first ?

Back in March, I had my site preview in the late morning and by afternoon (3/4pm), HR called to say the unit was keen. Then, I proceeded for security vetting.

Unregistered 31-07-2022 11:02 PM

Thats nice and fast. Possible for screening 1 to 3 mths before HR actually make complete offer ?

Unregistered 01-08-2022 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 226995)
Thats nice and fast. Possible for screening 1 to 3 mths before HR actually make complete offer ?

Yea my screening took around 1.5 months

Unregistered 01-08-2022 08:33 AM

Hi, I also had my site preview and interview. There were no other persons on that day. It has been past few weeks already, does that mean HR is still processing or not being considered ?

Unregistered 01-08-2022 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 226886)
Bro, senior manager and assistant director 3-5 years can get alr. Nothing to shout about.

In fact civil service titles are inflated

Yes dx 11 is senior manager so the poster above must have been trolling.


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