Q: Big4 - Yearly salary increment

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.

What branding does big 4 provide? just leave as senior if branding is so important. whether u leave as manager or senior, u have your branding. and once u are a senior, your knowledge level is as good as your managers if u know what i mean.

your skills deteriorate once u are manager because u lost touch of how to use excel as you spend your days reviewing working paper only. when you leave for commercial, u realize u cannot cope because you havent been using excel for so long, your accountants and senior accountants look down and dont respect u for being just a people manager, but never help with work

big 4 doesnt pay your enough for the amount of hours u work. just count. aren't all accountants/ auditors good with numbers? must I get a mcdonald employee to do it for u

Theres a reason why seniors do senior level work and juniors do junior level work
The speed of comprehension, technical competency, speed of testing and documentation all plays apart. This will determine how late u sleep at night.

There is no difference between peak and off peak now. Its whole year peak unless u are bad. When u lack manpower, thats whole year peak for u.

Client have 1 year of cooking of the books to do their financials and auditor have less than a month to audit them

My dear student, have u tried not sleeping for days on end? have u tried doing nothing for an entire week but work and sleep? your weekends are burnt doing catch up, you take MC to catch up on back log. Try doing that for months? Are u ready to throw your life away for your branding? Branding to what? commercial? industry is invaded by malaysians by now, low balled to the sky.


You cannot apply leave during peak period, but nowadays u cannot apply leave at all if u are booked unless u get permission from your manager. are you ok with bringing your laptop overseas? when you fall sick and take MC, does your workload decrease? the peers i used to work with spend their sick days doing work. because client and partner ain't gonna wait for u to recover and continue, there are statutory deadlines to meet, group auditors to report to.

Wanna guess what happens if u miss those deadlines? Your entire year's worth of work will be gone during promotions, you will be left out and any broken english malaysian will be promoted all because he stayed in office. Not because he is working, but because his rented shared room in woodlands is too small and he cant on air con until after 10pm.

are you singaporean students so naive as to compete with them? These said malaysians are those who have abandoned their fams in malaysia to compete with us locals, driven by 3.5 exchange rate, do u think it is worth it to even compete with them? these malaysians won't bother teaching u associates, they would rather side their own and throw all the heavy work to you locals.

ok lets say u promote to manager and want to leave for commercial. FINALLY.
you join a random SME, MNC as FM.
I can tell you competency of people is an issue here. you AR/AP accounts executive is probably a ACCA study half way, diploma holder or some malaysian cert. you cant expect them to do any heavy lifting because their brain is just smaller. No exposure to audit experience.

Your accountant will always be missing. especially before the year end audit takes place. Underpaid, no growth opportunities, high stress, high workload. and you as the FM will have difficulty finding a replacement unless you join an MNC with a good reputation that people want to join. You will be living on borrowed time, meaning you performance as an FM/accountant will be based on how smooth the audit proceeds. You can have your work life balance from Mar to Dec, but every Jan to Feb when audit starts, you will realize that your work life balance is based on a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.

There is no future in this industry. Malaysians have screwed u all over by the low barrier of entry and our partners greed for high returns, that is why most of them are panicking now that our gov raise EP requirements. Do u auditors think your salary should be decided by the mere whimp of the government?

Let me summarize. Industry is screwed by low entry barrier and greed for profits. Gov open leg policies selling sgrean future and screwing next gen while keeping their own fam and pocket full.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.

What branding does big 4 provide? just leave as senior if branding is so important. whether u leave as manager or senior, u have your branding. and once u are a senior, your knowledge level is as good as your managers if u know what i mean.

your skills deteriorate once u are manager because u lost touch of how to use excel as you spend your days reviewing working paper only. when you leave for commercial, u realize u cannot cope because you havent been using excel for so long, your accountants and senior accountants look down and dont respect u for being just a people manager, but never help with work

big 4 doesnt pay your enough for the amount of hours u work. just count. aren't all accountants/ auditors good with numbers? must I get a mcdonald employee to do it for u

Theres a reason why seniors do senior level work and juniors do junior level work
The speed of comprehension, technical competency, speed of testing and documentation all plays apart. This will determine how late u sleep at night.

There is no difference between peak and off peak now. Its whole year peak unless u are bad. When u lack manpower, thats whole year peak for u.

Client have 1 year of cooking of the books to do their financials and auditor have less than a month to audit them

My dear student, have u tried not sleeping for days on end? have u tried doing nothing for an entire week but work and sleep? your weekends are burnt doing catch up, you take MC to catch up on back log. Try doing that for months? Are u ready to throw your life away for your branding? Branding to what? commercial? industry is invaded by malaysians by now, low balled to the sky.


You cannot apply leave during peak period, but nowadays u cannot apply leave at all if u are booked unless u get permission from your manager. are you ok with bringing your laptop overseas? when you fall sick and take MC, does your workload decrease? the peers i used to work with spend their sick days doing work. because client and partner ain't gonna wait for u to recover and continue, there are statutory deadlines to meet, group auditors to report to.

Wanna guess what happens if u miss those deadlines? Your entire year's worth of work will be gone during promotions, you will be left out and any broken english malaysian will be promoted all because he stayed in office. Not because he is working, but because his rented shared room in woodlands is too small and he cant on air con until after 10pm.

are you singaporean students so naive as to compete with them? These said malaysians are those who have abandoned their fams in malaysia to compete with us locals, driven by 3.5 exchange rate, do u think it is worth it to even compete with them? these malaysians won't bother teaching u associates, they would rather side their own and throw all the heavy work to you locals.

ok lets say u promote to manager and want to leave for commercial. FINALLY.
you join a random SME, MNC as FM.
I can tell you competency of people is an issue here. you AR/AP accounts executive is probably a ACCA study half way, diploma holder or some malaysian cert. you cant expect them to do any heavy lifting because their brain is just smaller. No exposure to audit experience.

Your accountant will always be missing. especially before the year end audit takes place. Underpaid, no growth opportunities, high stress, high workload. and you as the FM will have difficulty finding a replacement unless you join an MNC with a good reputation that people want to join. You will be living on borrowed time, meaning you performance as an FM/accountant will be based on how smooth the audit proceeds. You can have your work life balance from Mar to Dec, but every Jan to Feb when audit starts, you will realize that your work life balance is based on a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.

There is no future in this industry. Malaysians have screwed u all over by the low barrier of entry and our partners greed for high returns, that is why most of them are panicking now that our gov raise EP requirements. Do u auditors think your salary should be decided by the mere whimp of the government?

Let’s cut through the noise here. The problem isn’t the industry, the workload, or the competition. It’s you. If you are feeling stuck, it is because you have allowed yourself to be. No one owes you a living. No one’s responsible for your progress but you. If you are not where you want to be, it’s because you haven’t earned it.

You have been sitting around blaming everything under the sun for your situation, but the truth is, you have done this to yourself. Successful people face the same challenges like hell, probably worse but they don’t waste time complaining. They adapt, they improve, and they keep moving forward. If you are still in the same place, it’s because you have coasted, expecting something to magically change. It hasn’t, and it won’t. And that’s why you are stuck.

If your skills have fallen behind, that’s your fault. If you are feeling worthless, maybe it’s because you haven’t put in enough to be worth more. No one owes you respect or progression. You have to earn it. And clearly, you haven’t. That’s why you are stuck, not because of anyone else but yourself.

Whining about the system, your colleagues, or whatever else you want to blame won’t change the fact that you didn’t step up. Everyone deals with the same ****. You either take responsibility for your own growth, or you stay exactly where you are blaming everything else but yourself. Some handle it and rise above, while others like you just spiral deeper into frustration. You have let yourself become the latter. Simple as that.

No one owes you anything. If you want more out of your life and career, then you have to take it. No one’s going to feel sorry for you, and no one’s going to fix it for you. Either you take ownership and stop feeling sorry for yourself, or you keep spiralling down into irrelevance.

Your choice, but don’t expect anyone to care if you choose the wrong path.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let’s cut through the noise here. The problem isn’t the industry, the workload, or the competition. It’s you. If you are feeling stuck, it is because you have allowed yourself to be. No one owes you a living. No one’s responsible for your progress but you. If you are not where you want to be, it’s because you haven’t earned it.

You have been sitting around blaming everything under the sun for your situation, but the truth is, you have done this to yourself. Successful people face the same challenges like hell, probably worse but they don’t waste time complaining. They adapt, they improve, and they keep moving forward. If you are still in the same place, it’s because you have coasted, expecting something to magically change. It hasn’t, and it won’t. And that’s why you are stuck.

If your skills have fallen behind, that’s your fault. If you are feeling worthless, maybe it’s because you haven’t put in enough to be worth more. No one owes you respect or progression. You have to earn it. And clearly, you haven’t. That’s why you are stuck, not because of anyone else but yourself.

Whining about the system, your colleagues, or whatever else you want to blame won’t change the fact that you didn’t step up. Everyone deals with the same ****. You either take responsibility for your own growth, or you stay exactly where you are blaming everything else but yourself. Some handle it and rise above, while others like you just spiral deeper into frustration. You have let yourself become the latter. Simple as that.

No one owes you anything. If you want more out of your life and career, then you have to take it. No one’s going to feel sorry for you, and no one’s going to fix it for you. Either you take ownership and stop feeling sorry for yourself, or you keep spiralling down into irrelevance.

Your choice, but don’t expect anyone to care if you choose the wrong path.

i see your mouth moving and saying something, but i dont see any solution LOL
am i in church?
im past that stage
im just giving real advice to others not to get tricked into a dead end job
your welcome students

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let’s cut through the noise here. The problem isn’t the industry, the workload, or the competition. It’s you. If you are feeling stuck, it is because you have allowed yourself to be. No one owes you a living. No one’s responsible for your progress but you. If you are not where you want to be, it’s because you haven’t earned it.

You have been sitting around blaming everything under the sun for your situation, but the truth is, you have done this to yourself. Successful people face the same challenges like hell, probably worse but they don’t waste time complaining. They adapt, they improve, and they keep moving forward. If you are still in the same place, it’s because you have coasted, expecting something to magically change. It hasn’t, and it won’t. And that’s why you are stuck.

If your skills have fallen behind, that’s your fault. If you are feeling worthless, maybe it’s because you haven’t put in enough to be worth more. No one owes you respect or progression. You have to earn it. And clearly, you haven’t. That’s why you are stuck, not because of anyone else but yourself.

Whining about the system, your colleagues, or whatever else you want to blame won’t change the fact that you didn’t step up. Everyone deals with the same ****. You either take responsibility for your own growth, or you stay exactly where you are blaming everything else but yourself. Some handle it and rise above, while others like you just spiral deeper into frustration. You have let yourself become the latter. Simple as that.

No one owes you anything. If you want more out of your life and career, then you have to take it. No one’s going to feel sorry for you, and no one’s going to fix it for you. Either you take ownership and stop feeling sorry for yourself, or you keep spiralling down into irrelevance.

Your choice, but don’t expect anyone to care if you choose the wrong path.

yup listening to internet for advice LOL
arent u the one stuck?

U all feel awkward when the audit partner is same age or younger than u anot. Of cos they are not local.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Let’s cut through the noise here. The problem isn’t the industry, the workload, or the competition. It’s you. If you are feeling stuck, it is because you have allowed yourself to be. No one owes you a living. No one’s responsible for your progress but you. If you are not where you want to be, it’s because you haven’t earned it.

You have been sitting around blaming everything under the sun for your situation, but the truth is, you have done this to yourself. Successful people face the same challenges like hell, probably worse but they don’t waste time complaining. They adapt, they improve, and they keep moving forward. If you are still in the same place, it’s because you have coasted, expecting something to magically change. It hasn’t, and it won’t. And that’s why you are stuck.

If your skills have fallen behind, that’s your fault. If you are feeling worthless, maybe it’s because you haven’t put in enough to be worth more. No one owes you respect or progression. You have to earn it. And clearly, you haven’t. That’s why you are stuck, not because of anyone else but yourself.

Whining about the system, your colleagues, or whatever else you want to blame won’t change the fact that you didn’t step up. Everyone deals with the same ****. You either take responsibility for your own growth, or you stay exactly where you are blaming everything else but yourself. Some handle it and rise above, while others like you just spiral deeper into frustration. You have let yourself become the latter. Simple as that.

No one owes you anything. If you want more out of your life and career, then you have to take it. No one’s going to feel sorry for you, and no one’s going to fix it for you. Either you take ownership and stop feeling sorry for yourself, or you keep spiralling down into irrelevance.

Your choice, but don’t expect anyone to care if you choose the wrong path.

LJ talk so much, u think u going to church is it?
i dont see any solution provided by u

Originally Posted by Unregistered

U all feel awkward when the audit partner is same age or younger than u anot. Of cos they are not local.

There are no partners of the same age or younger than us. Our average range is 25 to 30. The partners are in their late 40s to 50s.

If you find yourself same age as partners, you have stayed way too long.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yup listening to internet for advice LOL
arent u the one stuck?

You are not even real! You are just on the internet. You're no different than a NPC in maplestory to me.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You are not even real! You are just on the internet. You're no different than a NPC in maplestory to me.

Maplestory?

Da fuq are you a boomer? No one plays that dogshit cringe game except boomers who are mentally disabled with zero hand to eye coordination to play any fast paced game.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

yup listening to internet for advice LOL
arent u the one stuck?

Listening to the internet? That’s your weak-a** response?

You are exactly where you deserve to be, doing nothing, going nowhere, and blaming everything around you like a spineless coward.

You think I’m stuck? Nah, I'm out here making moves while you sit there running your mouth with zero to show for it.

So here’s a reality check. Nobody gives a f*** about your excuses, least of all me. You have coasted long enough, playing the victim card like a joke.

The difference between us? I own my sh1t, while you sit there pointing fingers, hoping life throws you a bone.

Breaking News! No one's coming to save you, and no one's impressed by your weak-a** mindset.

You want to stay irrelevant? Be my guest.

But don’t for a second think I’m on your level, because I have been leaving you in the dust from day one. So f*** your opinions, and f*** your empty existence.

You are the only one stuck here, not me.