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wow cool story bro because Haha. Oh man, that’s the absolute comedy of it all right?. To those people who quit audit, here’s the thing: it’s not like audit changed overnight.

These people dive into audit like they have been sold some fairy tale, thinking it’s gonna be all neat and tidy, and then when the reality smacks them in the face. Boom, they hit the panic button. Suddenly it’s, “Oh no, audit isn’t for me, this isn’t what I signed up for!” Oh really? You didn’t know audit was going to be brutal? Seriously, what did you expect? Free lunch breaks, work-life balance seminars, and early knock-offs at 5 PM every day? Come on, we all knew what the deal was before stepping into Big4. But nah, these people sign up like clueless sheep, and when the grind hits, it’s like they can’t believe it.

And then they act like they had this great revelation, like suddenly banking is where their heart lies. "I was always meant for banking!" Oh, really? Because if you were meant for banking, what the hell were you doing in audit in the first place? You didn’t just “discover” banking all of a sudden, Bro, you just couldn’t handle the pressure. Let’s call it what it is: you weren’t cut out for it. But sure, keep convincing yourself that banking was your calling all along. We all know that’s code for “I can’t deal with audit, so let me find an excuse and bail.” It’s hilarious how they paint it as some strategic career move when it’s really just them tapping out.

It’s even funnier when you see these same people trying to flex, like, “Oh, I’m moving to finance because it’s more rewarding.” Bro, please. Corporate finance, FP&A, whatever... half of those roles are dead-end jobs where you are just punching numbers into spreadsheets with zero career progression. You are just another cog in a machine that barely moves, waiting for someone higher up to either quit or retire before you can even think about getting promoted. Meanwhile, in Big4, promotions are fast-tracked. You hit Senior, Manager, SM in record time, but these guys would rather be stuck in some finance role where they will be sitting pretty, waiting for years to maybe get noticed.

And let’s not forget that these people love to complain about pay, like, “Oh, Big4 isn’t paying me enough for all the hours I’m putting in!” As if they didn’t know that’s how it works. Yeah, the hours are insane, but the payoff comes in experience, skills, and promotions that set you up for future roles. But nah, they want the easy life now, with minimal effort, and then wonder why they plateau at entry-level roles in industry. What did you think was going to happen? You left a high-growth environment for a stagnant one and thought you would somehow magically leap ahead? Hilarious.

And then there's this victim mentality that creeps in: “Oh, I feel so overworked, I deserve better!” Oh really? Deserve better for what, exactly? You chose audit. You knew the deal. You don’t get to act all surprised and self-pitying now because it got tough. You are not entitled to an easy ride just because you feel like it. If you wanted an easy job, you should have e stuck to something else, not signed up for one of the hardest professional services. But now, because you can’t handle it, suddenly audit’s the problem and not you, right? Such a joke.

And then the cherry on top is when they bolt for industry or finance thinking it’s going to be a dream, only to find out that the grass isn’t greener, it’s just as brutal, but with slower progression and more corporate politics. Oh, but wait, now they are stuck kissing ass and playing political office games just to get noticed. All the while, their former Big4 colleagues are flying past them, getting promoted, and landing senior roles in a fraction of the time. The irony is delicious.

People talk all this crap about Big4 being “cheap labor,” but let’s be real here: the only thing cheap is the mindset of someone who bails because they couldn’t hack it. The fact is, Big4 offers what most other places don’t, the rapid progression, industry recognition, and skills that are actually transferable. But these people want a cushy life from the start and are too short-sighted to see the bigger picture. So yeah, you can leave, sure. But don’t come crying later when your career stalls, and you are stuck in a role with no real growth.

And don’t even get me started on the ones who act like they were forced into audit. No one held a gun to your head, my dude. You signed up for this. So don’t sit there and act all shocked when it’s exactly what it’s always been: a grind. But it’s the same every time, people think they are going to waltz into Big4, not knowing it’s a battlefield, and then cry foul when they have to put in the hours. It’s almost embarrassing how predictable it is.

So yeah, keep pretending like you always had this great plan to move into banking or finance. We see right through it. And we will be here in five years when you realise that maybe Big4 wasn’t so bad after all. Once you are stuck waiting for that mythical promotion in a job that’s about as exciting as watching paint dry.
wow cool story bro because

lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.

lol kids nowadays so salty what others do?? work is work bro who cares about all this nonsense race / OT, dont like ur job find abetter one[/QUOTE]Literally not what the guy said at all LMAO you can't read it seems.[/QUOTE]wow cool story bro because Haha. Oh man, that’s the absolute comedy of it all right?. To those people who quit audit, here’s the thing: it’s not like audit changed overnight.

These people dive into audit like they have been sold some fairy tale, thinking it’s gonna be all neat and tidy, and then when the reality smacks them in the face. Boom, they hit the panic button. Suddenly it’s, “Oh no, audit isn’t for me, this isn’t what I signed up for!” Oh really? You didn’t know audit was going to be brutal? Seriously, what did you expect? Free lunch breaks, work-life balance seminars, and early knock-offs at 5 PM every day? Come on, we all knew what the deal was before stepping into Big4. But nah, these people sign up like clueless sheep, and when the grind hits, it’s like they can’t believe it.

And then they act like they had this great revelation, like suddenly banking is where their heart lies. "I was always meant for banking!" Oh, really? Because if you were meant for banking, what the hell were you doing in audit in the first place? You didn’t just “discover” banking all of a sudden, Bro, you just couldn’t handle the pressure. Let’s call it what it is: you weren’t cut out for it. But sure, keep convincing yourself that banking was your calling all along. We all know that’s code for “I can’t deal with audit, so let me find an excuse and bail.” It’s hilarious how they paint it as some strategic career move when it’s really just them tapping out.

It’s even funnier when you see these same people trying to flex, like, “Oh, I’m moving to finance because it’s more rewarding.” Bro, please. Corporate finance, FP&A, whatever... half of those roles are dead-end jobs where you are just punching numbers into spreadsheets with zero career progression. You are just another cog in a machine that barely moves, waiting for someone higher up to either quit or retire before you can even think about getting promoted. Meanwhile, in Big4, promotions are fast-tracked. You hit Senior, Manager, SM in record time, but these guys would rather be stuck in some finance role where they will be sitting pretty, waiting for years to maybe get noticed.[/QUOTE]wa lan brudda who read this[/QUOTE]

talk so much cock until you realize get to sm alr cant get out because you are unemployable outside of audit

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wow cool story bro because

lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.

lol kids nowadays so salty what others do?? work is work bro who cares about all this nonsense race / OT, dont like ur job find abetter one
Literally not what the guy said at all LMAO you can't read it seems.[/QUOTE]wow cool story bro because Haha. Oh man, that’s the absolute comedy of it all right?. To those people who quit audit, here’s the thing: it’s not like audit changed overnight.

These people dive into audit like they have been sold some fairy tale, thinking it’s gonna be all neat and tidy, and then when the reality smacks them in the face. Boom, they hit the panic button. Suddenly it’s, “Oh no, audit isn’t for me, this isn’t what I signed up for!” Oh really? You didn’t know audit was going to be brutal? Seriously, what did you expect? Free lunch breaks, work-life balance seminars, and early knock-offs at 5 PM every day? Come on, we all knew what the deal was before stepping into Big4. But nah, these people sign up like clueless sheep, and when the grind hits, it’s like they can’t believe it.

And then they act like they had this great revelation, like suddenly banking is where their heart lies. "I was always meant for banking!" Oh, really? Because if you were meant for banking, what the hell were you doing in audit in the first place? You didn’t just “discover” banking all of a sudden, Bro, you just couldn’t handle the pressure. Let’s call it what it is: you weren’t cut out for it. But sure, keep convincing yourself that banking was your calling all along. We all know that’s code for “I can’t deal with audit, so let me find an excuse and bail.” It’s hilarious how they paint it as some strategic career move when it’s really just them tapping out.

It’s even funnier when you see these same people trying to flex, like, “Oh, I’m moving to finance because it’s more rewarding.” Bro, please. Corporate finance, FP&A, whatever... half of those roles are dead-end jobs where you are just punching numbers into spreadsheets with zero career progression. You are just another cog in a machine that barely moves, waiting for someone higher up to either quit or retire before you can even think about getting promoted. Meanwhile, in Big4, promotions are fast-tracked. You hit Senior, Manager, SM in record time, but these guys would rather be stuck in some finance role where they will be sitting pretty, waiting for years to maybe get noticed.[/QUOTE]wa lan brudda who read this[/QUOTE]

talk so much cock until you realize get to sm alr cant get out because you are unemployable outside of audit[/QUOTE]sounds good and all but

lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.
big pay doesnt pay your enough for the amount of hours u work. just count. aren't all accountants/ auditors good with numbers? must I get a mcdonald employee to do it for u

What branding does big 4 provide? just leave as senior if branding is so important. whether u leave as manager or senior, u have your branding. and once u are a senior, your knowledge level is as good as your managers if u know what i mean.

your skills deteriorate once u are manager because u lost touch of how to use excel as you spend your days reviewing working paper only. when you leave for commercial, u realize u cannot cope because you havent been using excel for so long, your accountants and senior accountants look down and dont respect u for being just a people manager, but never help with work

big 4 doesnt pay your enough for the amount of hours u work. just count. aren't all accountants/ auditors good with numbers? must I get a mcdonald employee to do it for u

Theres a reason why seniors do senior level work and juniors do junior level work
The speed of comprehension, technical competency, speed of testing and documentation all plays apart. This will determine how late u sleep at night.

There is no difference between peak and off peak now. Its whole year peak unless u are bad. When u lack manpower, thats whole year peak for u.

Client have 1 year of cooking of the books to do their financials and auditor have less than a month to audit them

My dear student, have u tried not sleeping for days on end? have u tried doing nothing for an entire week but work and sleep? your weekends are burnt doing catch up, you take MC to catch up on back log. Try doing that for months? Are u ready to throw your life away for your branding? Branding to what? commercial? industry is invaded by malaysians by now, low balled to the sky.

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anyone have any idea what is this kpmg explore program marketed very aggressively? is it a good opportunity in b4?
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anyone have any idea what is this kpmg explore program marketed very aggressively? is it a good opportunity in b4?
big 4 is no longer a good place. go to banks or mnc.
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sounds good and all but

lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.

What branding does big 4 provide? just leave as senior if branding is so important. whether u leave as manager or senior, u have your branding. and once u are a senior, your knowledge level is as good as your managers if u know what i mean.

your skills deteriorate once u are manager because u lost touch of how to use excel as you spend your days reviewing working paper only. when you leave for commercial, u realize u cannot cope because you havent been using excel for so long, your accountants and senior accountants look down and dont respect u for being just a people manager, but never help with work

big 4 doesnt pay your enough for the amount of hours u work. just count. aren't all accountants/ auditors good with numbers? must I get a mcdonald employee to do it for u

Theres a reason why seniors do senior level work and juniors do junior level work
The speed of comprehension, technical competency, speed of testing and documentation all plays apart. This will determine how late u sleep at night.

There is no difference between peak and off peak now. Its whole year peak unless u are bad. When u lack manpower, thats whole year peak for u.

Client have 1 year of cooking of the books to do their financials and auditor have less than a month to audit them

My dear student, have u tried not sleeping for days on end? have u tried doing nothing for an entire week but work and sleep? your weekends are burnt doing catch up, you take MC to catch up on back log. Try doing that for months? Are u ready to throw your life away for your branding? Branding to what? commercial? industry is invaded by malaysians by now, low balled to the sky.

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You cannot apply leave during peak period, but nowadays u cannot apply leave at all if u are booked unless u get permission from your manager. are you ok with bringing your laptop overseas? when you fall sick and take MC, does your workload decrease? the peers i used to work with spend their sick days doing work. because client and partner ain't gonna wait for u to recover and continue, there are statutory deadlines to meet, group auditors to report to.

Wanna guess what happens if u miss those deadlines? Your entire year's worth of work will be gone during promotions, you will be left out and any broken english malaysian will be promoted all because he stayed in office. Not because he is working, but because his rented shared room in woodlands is too small and he cant on air con until after 10pm.

are you singaporean students so naive as to compete with them? These said malaysians are those who have abandoned their fams in malaysia to compete with us locals, driven by 3.5 exchange rate, do u think it is worth it to even compete with them? these malaysians won't bother teaching u associates, they would rather side their own and throw all the heavy work to you locals.
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ok lets say u promote to manager and want to leave for commercial. FINALLY.
you join a random SME, MNC as FM.
I can tell you competency of people is an issue here. you AR/AP accounts executive is probably a ACCA study half way, diploma holder or some malaysian cert. you cant expect them to do any heavy lifting because their brain is just smaller. No exposure to audit experience.

Your accountant will always be missing. especially before the year end audit takes place. Underpaid, no growth opportunities, high stress, high workload. and you as the FM will have difficulty finding a replacement unless you join an MNC with a good reputation that people want to join. You will be living on borrowed time, meaning you performance as an FM/accountant will be based on how smooth the audit proceeds. You can have your work life balance from Mar to Dec, but every Jan to Feb when audit starts, you will realize that your work life balance is based on a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.

There is no future in this industry. Malaysians have screwed u all over by the low barrier of entry and our partners greed for high returns, that is why most of them are panicking now that our gov raise EP requirements. Do u auditors think your salary should be decided by the mere whimp of the government?
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lol what transferable skills u talking about? vouching? analytical review? issue review points? manage your senior and junior? wait now managers do field work cos no manpower.

you leave audit without any commercial knowledge, dont know accounting system, only know how to pick samples and check FS, wait nowadays audit quality so cui i think they got problem reviewing FS, yet alone do. there is a reason no locals want to do, its because no life. Next thing u know u are in your mid 30s with nothing but a decent pay check and you are but a shell. u forgot what hobbies are like. U think commercial want to hire u become FM? so expensive but no skills. U cant leave audit because u are too expensive and u continue this life until you are in your mid 40s and realize u missed out on your kids birthday, parents funeral.

u lost your life to grow your salary to 8-9k? worth it? and u stagnate unless u become partner. u cant leave. your skills are too generic and nothing specialized. u spend your day trying to book staff when no one joins and all your competent seniors quit, assuming there are any.

u look around you and realize there are no singaporeans, only malaysians who speak in broken chinese and you have to OT as much as them because they are motivated with 3:1 while your exchange rate is 1:1 at best. you end up marrying a malaysian girl and develop their weird chinese speaking accent.

What branding does big 4 provide? just leave as senior if branding is so important. whether u leave as manager or senior, u have your branding. and once u are a senior, your knowledge level is as good as your managers if u know what i mean.

your skills deteriorate once u are manager because u lost touch of how to use excel as you spend your days reviewing working paper only. when you leave for commercial, u realize u cannot cope because you havent been using excel for so long, your accountants and senior accountants look down and dont respect u for being just a people manager, but never help with work

big 4 doesnt pay your enough for the amount of hours u work. just count. aren't all accountants/ auditors good with numbers? must I get a mcdonald employee to do it for u

Theres a reason why seniors do senior level work and juniors do junior level work
The speed of comprehension, technical competency, speed of testing and documentation all plays apart. This will determine how late u sleep at night.

There is no difference between peak and off peak now. Its whole year peak unless u are bad. When u lack manpower, thats whole year peak for u.

Client have 1 year of cooking of the books to do their financials and auditor have less than a month to audit them

My dear student, have u tried not sleeping for days on end? have u tried doing nothing for an entire week but work and sleep? your weekends are burnt doing catch up, you take MC to catch up on back log. Try doing that for months? Are u ready to throw your life away for your branding? Branding to what? commercial? industry is invaded by malaysians by now, low balled to the sky.


You cannot apply leave during peak period, but nowadays u cannot apply leave at all if u are booked unless u get permission from your manager. are you ok with bringing your laptop overseas? when you fall sick and take MC, does your workload decrease? the peers i used to work with spend their sick days doing work. because client and partner ain't gonna wait for u to recover and continue, there are statutory deadlines to meet, group auditors to report to.

Wanna guess what happens if u miss those deadlines? Your entire year's worth of work will be gone during promotions, you will be left out and any broken english malaysian will be promoted all because he stayed in office. Not because he is working, but because his rented shared room in woodlands is too small and he cant on air con until after 10pm.

are you singaporean students so naive as to compete with them? These said malaysians are those who have abandoned their fams in malaysia to compete with us locals, driven by 3.5 exchange rate, do u think it is worth it to even compete with them? these malaysians won't bother teaching u associates, they would rather side their own and throw all the heavy work to you locals.

ok lets say u promote to manager and want to leave for commercial. FINALLY.
you join a random SME, MNC as FM.
I can tell you competency of people is an issue here. you AR/AP accounts executive is probably a ACCA study half way, diploma holder or some malaysian cert. you cant expect them to do any heavy lifting because their brain is just smaller. No exposure to audit experience.

Your accountant will always be missing. especially before the year end audit takes place. Underpaid, no growth opportunities, high stress, high workload. and you as the FM will have difficulty finding a replacement unless you join an MNC with a good reputation that people want to join. You will be living on borrowed time, meaning you performance as an FM/accountant will be based on how smooth the audit proceeds. You can have your work life balance from Mar to Dec, but every Jan to Feb when audit starts, you will realize that your work life balance is based on a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.

There is no future in this industry. Malaysians have screwed u all over by the low barrier of entry and our partners greed for high returns, that is why most of them are panicking now that our gov raise EP requirements. Do u auditors think your salary should be decided by the mere whimp of the government?
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Dont believe the cool aid of what high growth BS people say about big 4. As long as you are trading time for money, your salary per hour is low. the long hours/ no work life balance/ high stress. totally not worth it. Just look at your managers, they are stuck. ask them why they have yet to leave, they are stuck.

What 1 month bonus? 1.5 month bonus? for great performance? how many jobs do u have to close for that 1.5 month high performance bonus? Does the math add up? u would earn much more by doing grab food on weekends and screw your jobs. thats assuming are able to close your jobs on time or just meet bare minimum promotion requirements
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