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Old 21-05-2024, 01:16 PM
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I think one of the reason why some young people resign or young people don't join audit is because they afraid they might be asked by many people to bear the responsibilities or legal consequence due to negligence or lack of duty of care?

Because the pay is like $4.1K?

The audit association has a thinking that "The audit partners, lawyers, client, judge, regulators, ISCA, ACRA wants an audit associate who taking a $4.1K salary to bear all the responsibilities or legal consequence."

They are thinking "Siao eh!! $4.1K salary, you want to limpeh to tank everything and legal consequences for YOU!!. NO WAY! you smart......I not stupid"
You reminded me of those day when I have audit associates. I kinda miss those days where the audit associate become my scapegoat for the mistakes I made. LOL.



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Old 21-05-2024, 01:22 PM
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Unlikely associates will tank such responsibilities la. Only the workload. Eh 4k associate expect everyday go home on the dot? Commercial accountants also 4k work like dog.

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Old 21-05-2024, 01:56 PM
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Unlikely associates will tank such responsibilities la. Only the workload. Eh 4k associate expect everyday go home on the dot? Commercial accountants also 4k work like dog.
yeah. how to ask an audit associate A1 who getting paid $4.1K to be the scapegoat? Lol

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Old 21-05-2024, 02:07 PM
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yeah. how to ask an audit associate A1 who getting paid $4.1K to be the scapegoat? Lol
Dude I was a S1 scapegoat earning 3.2k just few years ago.
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Old 21-05-2024, 02:09 PM
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Eh boy...How you tell?
Hey, your vocab is like, not vibing with the cool kids.
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Hey, your vocab is like, not vibing with the cool kids.
Cringe af.
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Dude I was a S1 scapegoat earning 3.2k just few years ago.
Why are you being made a scapegoat few years ago?

As an associate, your role is primarily to support the audit process. You follow procedures and report findings to senior staff. Final decisions and sign-offs are typically made by partners who have the authority and responsibility.

If you decide to go ahead with a career in auditing, then you should focus on continue learning, maintaining high ethical standards, and you have to be prepared to document and defend your work which will be essential for protection against any potential pitfalls.
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Dude I was a S1 scapegoat earning 3.2k just few years ago.
s://.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/audit-assistant-forge-signature-report-singapore-football-clubs-woodlands-wellington-hougang-united-tiong-bahru-3773311

Are you this guy?


SINGAPORE: An audit assistant who forged an accountant's signature on an independent auditor's report for Woodlands Wellington Football Club was fined S$20,000 on Friday (Sep 15).

The court heard that Lau Chee Yoong, 34, employed by public accounting practice Chan Leng Leng & Co at the time, committed the offence due to stress from his workload.

Lau was found out when investigations into a separate matter involving Tiong Bahru Football Club unearthed his wrongdoing.

He pleaded guilty to the forgery charge relating to Woodlands Wellington, while a similar charge involving Hougang United Football Club was taken into consideration for sentencing. Both Hougang United and Woodlands Wellington were clients of Chan Leng Leng & Co.

The court heard that before March 2016, Lau was assigned by sole proprietor Chan Leng Leng to conduct the audit on Woodlands Wellington for the financial year of 2015.

With the help of a Woodlands Wellington finance executive, Lau began auditing the football club's accounts. But his workload began to pile up as he was juggling multiple accounts, causing a delay.

Woodlands Wellington's finance executive began to pressure him to finish the work so that the club could submit its financial statements to the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore (IRAS) by the end of May 2016.

Lau finalised the financial statements towards the end of May. He was then supposed to submit the financial statements and working papers to Chan for inspection before she signed on an independent auditor's report.

However, Lau was unable to submit the documents to Chan as he was assigned other audits and was rushing to complete them.

At the same time, Woodland Wellington's finance executive continued to pressure him for the signed documents.

Caving under the stress, Lau decided to forge Chan's signature.

He photocopied Chan's signature on an independent auditor's report for the previous financial year, and cut out the signature. He then glued the cut-out signature onto the independent auditor's report for that financial year, before photocopying the documents.

Using a pen, Lau then traced the signature to make it look more realistic.

He then stamped the date May 16, 2016, before sending the report along with the financial statements of financial year 2015 to Woodlands Wellington.

The football club did not detect the forgery and submitted the statements to the Registry of Societies, IRAS and the Football Association of Singapore, among other entities.

The forgery was only discovered during the Commercial Affairs Department's investigations into Tiong Bahru Football Club, after Sports Singapore lodged a police report about Tiong Bahru's irregularities in April 2017.

As part of the probe, the authorities also investigated Hougang United and Woodlands Wellington and seized their audit reports. During investigations, Chan told investigators that she did not sign on financial statements relating to Woodlands Wellington and Hougang United accounts for the financial year of 2015. Investigations then revealed Lau's crime.

Deputy Public Prosecutor Thiagesh Sukumaran said that audit associates have important duties, as the endorsement of financial statements will impact external decisions made by parties, such as investors, in relation to the financial health of companies.

He added that the court could not downplay the importance of financial statements meant to project the financial sustainability of a company.

He sought a fine of S$20,000 (US$14,700) to S$25,000 for Lau.

If government bodies could not trust the authenticity of documents, the trust in the system would be undermined, Mr Thiagesh argued.

A significant fine was needed to "deter like-minded individuals from committing such offences", he said.

"Not only does it restore trust in system, it also deters auditing professionals from committing these offences without thinking of the consequences."

Another aggravating factor was how the crime went undetected until the investigations into Tiong Bahru Football Club, which took almost a year.

Lau's lawyer Gideon Yap proposed a fine of S$10,000, providing a range of cases which showed that the "standard amount" imposed was less than half of what he was seeking.

He said S$10,000 would be sufficient to send a strong message given his client's case, where there was "no benefit" but a mistake committed "in a moment of pressure".

Mr Yap also asked District Judge Ronald Gwee to take into account the "significant delay of seven years" for the matter to be concluded.

Judge Gwee agreed with the prosecution that deterrence was important to deter other audit professionals from taking the same route.

For forgery, Lau could have been jailed up to four years, or fined, or both.
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Still amazed why ppl join audit . With all the bad rep flying on the internet …
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Old 21-05-2024, 03:31 PM
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Humji to take over seniors' workload just admit lah

that's y choose to run away by resigning the job

Don't come BS infront of me to say you not dumb

No different from running away from problem
I alrdy mgr lo. Audit so ez. No extra money do extra for what. Dont dumb leh.
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