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Old 26-09-2013, 09:58 PM
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Yes, regardless of what level you teach pay is the same and depends on your MOE rank/grade 1A1, 1A2 etc. It is pure bullshit that primary school teachers are paid less.
Primary school teachers only have a diploma from NIE. Secondary school teachers have a degree from NIE. While JC teachers mostly have a basic local degree + NIE post-grad diploma.

Primary school teachers do start off less. Trust me.



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Primary school teachers only have a diploma from NIE. Secondary school teachers have a degree from NIE. While JC teachers mostly have a basic local degree + NIE post-grad diploma.

Primary school teachers do start off less. Trust me.
in that case, the primary sch teachers didnt start off less bcos they teach primary sch... its bcos of their qualification which made them start off less... if for some reason, someone with local deg + nie teaches in primary (perhaps due to preference or vacancy) den she will still be paid 3k+ regardless.

for the case of uol econs primary sch teacher... it could be that the scheme recognize him as a diploma holder or somewhere in btw dip and deg.

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Seriously.. don't believe the bullshit about SIM grads not making it into investment banks..

Both my bf and I were from SIM-RMIT one year plus ago.
He graduated with distinction while I barely passed.

I'm in a US investment bank now after job hopping and he joined a swiss private bank as his first job.

Most of my friends are in banking and honestly, I think being a local uni grad only makes a difference when you are cream of the crop. Else, you won't make the cut to the top where it's all rainbows and dollar signs and you will be left with positions that everyone else is left with.

Anyway, it matters less and less as you start to accumulate your experience in the industry.

And for the local grads, please ah. Don't xia suay yourself by yayapapaya to your SIM friends and give sarcastic remarks on SIM grads during your glorious local uni days then later on, come ask your SIM friends for job referrals when you cannot find your job. It's really....
I am not sure whether your perception of reality is the same as others out there, well it differs from mine definitely. Working in an investment bank or some glamorous bank is easy, it is not hard to break into, but job scope wise is different. Who knows maybe you and your bf is helping the bankers wash his coffee mug instead?

SIM grads working as finance or bankers? Don't make me laugh man. I have friends who studied at who I still keep in contact with, none could break into banking unlike yours. Some are doing insurance, property and car salesman. I even had one friend graduated and working at uniqlo at orchard doing retail sales.

Please dont come and spread propaganda and mis information and go around telling others "being in industry" is more important.

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I am not sure whether your perception of reality is the same as others out there, well it differs from mine definitely. Working in an investment bank or some glamorous bank is easy, it is not hard to break into, but job scope wise is different. Who knows maybe you and your bf is helping the bankers wash his coffee mug instead?

SIM grads working as finance or bankers? Don't make me laugh man. I have friends who studied at who I still keep in contact with, none could break into banking unlike yours. Some are doing insurance, property and car salesman. I even had one friend graduated and working at uniqlo at orchard doing retail sales.

Please dont come and spread propaganda and mis information and go around telling others "being in industry" is more important.
I have a friend graduate from SIM now in HSBC who likes to go around showing off he work there as analyst, but he will purposely leave out the fact he is actually working at the customer service department...
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I am not sure whether your perception of reality is the same as others out there, well it differs from mine definitely. Working in an investment bank or some glamorous bank is easy, it is not hard to break into, but job scope wise is different. Who knows maybe you and your bf is helping the bankers wash his coffee mug instead?

SIM grads working as finance or bankers? Don't make me laugh man. I have friends who studied at who I still keep in contact with, none could break into banking unlike yours. Some are doing insurance, property and car salesman. I even had one friend graduated and working at uniqlo at orchard doing retail sales.

Please dont come and spread propaganda and mis information and go around telling others "being in industry" is more important.
Wow. You need to step into the finance industry for a better perspective. I'm UOL 2nd upper class. In GIC doing MM investment as trainee. 3.1k during probation. Not fantastic, but proves my point. Your friends and yourself may be the majority of shortsighted people who can't see what people are doing in finance.


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Wow. You need to step into the finance industry for a better perspective. I'm UOL 2nd upper class. In GIC doing MM investment as trainee. 3.1k during probation. Not fantastic, but proves my point. Your friends and yourself may be the majority of shortsighted people who can't see what people are doing in finance.
i believe when ppl are tokin about investment banking or investment banker, they are referring to those who earned 150-200k pa (inclusive of bonus) as a fresh grad... n not anyone who work in an investment bank....

each year thousands and thousands of applications will be sent in for that few available position... among these ppl, there will be ppl from branded unis with strong academic result, excellent CCA track record and of cos extremely good interviewing skills... its hard for me to imagine they will hire anyone from a less branded sch instead... UNLESS that person has connections within.
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Hi all working gurus!

I'm a up and coming grad from UOL, expecting a first to 2nd-upper from a Bsc Information Systems and Management degree. I came from an IT diploma at SP, and on hindsight I cannot vision myself writing codes for the next 10 years, hence the swap to a more generic management degree.

HR is on the short list of possible types of jobs I want to take up, as I prefer to be involved with people rather then a screen. From what I got from the thread, I understand that even a grad with a 2nd and higher still starts off roughly around the HR executive level? With around a starter average of 2.5k.

I do HR as a module, along with various psychology and business types apart from the IT stuff, so I was wondering how relevant my degree actually is in the HR context, and what to expect as a fresh grad with these sorts of qualifications. Any input whatsoever will be greatly appreciated! I might have gotten the wrong idea of HR to begin with, so feel free to enlighten me.
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Hi all working gurus!

I'm a up and coming grad from UOL, expecting a first to 2nd-upper from a Bsc Information Systems and Management degree. I came from an IT diploma at SP, and on hindsight I cannot vision myself writing codes for the next 10 years, hence the swap to a more generic management degree.

HR is on the short list of possible types of jobs I want to take up, as I prefer to be involved with people rather then a screen. From what I got from the thread, I understand that even a grad with a 2nd and higher still starts off roughly around the HR executive level? With around a starter average of 2.5k.

I do HR as a module, along with various psychology and business types apart from the IT stuff, so I was wondering how relevant my degree actually is in the HR context, and what to expect as a fresh grad with these sorts of qualifications. Any input whatsoever will be greatly appreciated! I might have gotten the wrong idea of HR to begin with, so feel free to enlighten me.
i grad with the same degree in 2005. I have had 3 jobs since, all nothing to do with my specialty.

your degree is your paper qualification to get you one step in. the rest is up to you.
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i grad with the same degree in 2005. I have had 3 jobs since, all nothing to do with my specialty.

your degree is your paper qualification to get you one step in. the rest is up to you.
Final year UOL student drawing 2500 in a search/headhunting firm.

Graduating next yr.
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Primary school teachers only have a diploma from NIE. Secondary school teachers have a degree from NIE. While JC teachers mostly have a basic local degree + NIE post-grad diploma.

Primary school teachers do start off less. Trust me.

Erm my wife is a primary school teacher and she has a NTU degree, a teaching diploma from NIE and a Masters in applied linguistics and she is earning more than my army friend teaching in JC....
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