SIM-UOL fresh grad starting pay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Not specifically interested in Accounting but interested in various shortcuts to enhance the CV.There's this one particular program which seems appealing which is systems analysis graduate diploma offered by NUS.It's a 13 month program.I've always had a slight curiosity for programming so I think this is a perfect opportunity to get a glimpse of the IT world and also widen the angle of career options.Does anyone know about this program and can share your thoughts/experiences?

Also since I have a 2:1 management degree from SIM UOL,will I be able to qualify for their graduate diploma program? (They welcome students from all fields to apply even without any relevant knowledge in coding but I don't know if they accept UOL degrees)

Dude, stop procrastinating and find a job. That is the best CV enhancer.

I agree with the poster above. Stacking certifications into your resume can only help to a certain extent unless it is a technical certification like SQP program.

Get a job, get some work experience in

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I banged your mother for 62k a year too.

All talk nonsense people.
Since you say experience more important, then ignore the cert, dun bother with a degree, go out and work with a diploma, or O level. Be the naïve slaves that you are.

Top notch employers will always look at the cert for all fresh grads. If you want a headstart and be in a pool above the rest, get the best degree available. Otherwise, be like the rest of the herd and wait for your promotion when you do well.

Lets be honest, 5 years work experience for a SIM grad against a 3 year work experience NUS grad, obviously the NUS grad is going to get promoted faster. Want to live in your little delusional little world of "orhhhh experience counts for everything" then please, be the dumb dogs you are.

A top notch employers knows that the uol is a public university not a 'private' degree. only a third rate moron would call a uol external degree a private degree.

A top notch employer may also know that the uol is a federal university in london with many colleges. historically, the federal uol conducts semestral examinations for all its colleges, while its colleges are in charge of teaching and students' affairs. just like how someone who goes to bowen secondary, raffles and someone who studies at home all take the same gcse o level papers. today, many of its colleges are universities in their own rights, and conduct their own exams. they have obtained degree awarding powers.

in education, we believe that motivated adult learners can learn themselves. hence, universities usually employ lecturers who have no teaching credentials or techniques to teach adult learners. adult learnings can learn via various modes, be it full time, part time, seminar style, distance, etc. while kids need teachers to entertain them and teach them things from the textbook. whether this is right or wrong is not the issue, this is just how it is currently done.

in fact, honestly, depending on which country you are in and what field you are in, a uol external degree may open more doors than a ntu or smu degree. you may find that employers in australia or the us would be more familiar with 'london' than 'singapore'.

a first class hons from uol is a top notch degree from a well known publicly funded british university. i mean, i would consider you a talent if i saw that degree and if i get the right stuff from you from my interviews with you.

there has been many nobel prize winners with uol degrees while there has been zero with nus/smu/ntu degrees. and i mean zilch. nil. zero.

well, at least at uol, you can be pretty sure the notes and exam papers and tutorials will all be written in understandable english rather than having some singapore uni singlish lecturer goon (who can't even pass his ielts) torture you with his lectures and one million exams (exams every week) and make you go 'huh' when you read your exam questions because of so many basic grammatical errors.

seriously, walk into any singapore uni and listen to the lecturers. it just shows you how the singapore education system has failed in teaching languages to even a 10 year old standard. and there are other things as well, geography, science, entrepreneurship, business, etc.

excuse me, other than the creative guy, which singaporean entrepreneur is well known in the world?

look at some of the s'porean leaders, especially the older ones, it shows you clearly how the education system has failed them. not just language wise, but also humility wise, and other basic knowledge.

i have no links to uol. i will graduate from ucl soon (not the external programme but the internal one). as far as i am concerned, ucl is ranked 5th to 20th in the world, and the education department is ranked first. however, my first distance learning degree (1:1) from scotland was possibly harder than my ucl masters as far as my personal experience goes.

seriously, the world is such a big place with so many opportunities. as singapore imports 'talents' from mostly third world countries (even fudan's or itt's education are utter crap to be honest, not to mention some manila uni or um) and calls them 'much needed' and 'talents', my suggestion is you improve your own competiveness globally because truly, the world is your oyster with a uol degree and the right skills and experience. especially if you are young.

the idea that 3 years in a good uni can change over 2 decades of lousy education (primary, secondary, high school) in a third world situation where the teaching and absorption of basic science, language, mathematics, etc, is utter crap is just ridiculous. look at singaporean workers from the 60s to the 90s and note the difference in their quality. the young ones in singapore today are even smarter and better than me, and that to me, is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This I agree. Those who go to Australia is most of the time cannot make it to local uni as well but parents very rich can send them there. In my opinion, if you are from an overseas uni that is not oxbridge/MIT/Caltech/Harvard that standard means you are just a rich kid. NUS already so high up there in rankings, if you go overseas it usually just means you couldnt get into the course that you want in NUS or even worse couldnt even get into NUS in the first place. Be it those who go to adelaide or queensland or sydney, NSW, Monash whatever all the same. Same as those second tier UK uni like Durham/Bristol/Sheffield/Manchester. If they didnt have money they would also be in SIM or in local uni but in a less competitive course that they dont want.

You think what some big fark to study in NUS? I'm from Bristol and I know ppl get BBC and get NUS but with those grades you can't get any of the UK uni stated above.Don't talk rubbish.

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Any fresh grads (2015) people who found a job yet? Which industry are you in?

Been applying for a few months!

Originally Posted by hrgt

Any fresh grads (2015) people who found a job yet? Which industry are you in?

Been applying for a few months!

I thought tight labour market easy to find job as long as one is not fussy. No?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I thought tight labour market easy to find job as long as one is not fussy. No?

Not being fussy you mean by taking up jobs that does paper work/admin work?

Originally Posted by hrgt

Not being fussy you mean by taking up jobs that does paper work/admin work?

Expand the job search to include customer service, sales and in the meantime keep applying. You need to feel financially independent than relying on your parents. You would be in a right mental state to search for the right entry job.

Originally Posted by harrow

A top notch employers knows that the uol is a public university not a 'private' degree. only a third rate moron would call a uol external degree a private degree.

Doesn't change the fact it's from a private uni, which is full of crap people.

Oh, by the way, you must be hopelessly insecure to write such a long wall of text... Just saying.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Doesn't change the fact it's from a private uni, which is full of crap people.

Oh, by the way, you must be hopelessly insecure to write such a long wall of text... Just saying.

And you must be hopelessly inSecure to comment on a page "full of crap people" Douche! :P