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Old 07-02-2012, 01:48 PM
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I think this general scale is very non-uniform across the various stat boards and ministries.

i was offered a position in 1 stat board in jan 2011, with pay of $3900. I had graduated in 2003, 2nd upper honors.
Seems like PA situation is even worse than your current NEA job. I don't think PA bonus is as good as NEA also...

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a constituency manager is very much what you would describe as an operations manager, in charge of the day-to-day running of the Community Centre.

To a certain extend, you are also the general manager of the branch, looking after all aspects, from revenue collection, scheduling of enrichment classes, managing tenants, public feedbacks, event management, human resource management (staff schedule, leave, mc, resignation, petty fights etc).

You do not have to do everything, however you are in charge of everything. Anyone who have taken a managerial role will agree that your job comfort level is dependent on two key factors:

1) Level of competency of your staff/co-workers.
2) Ability to gel with your team.

If you can't gel or delegate your work, you will suffer from burn-out which leads to turnover.

Ultimately a CM role is very much one of people management, gaining respect and mutual trust from all members in your community club. Go in with both eyes open.

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Im a CM at Punggol and drawing $4000 basic with $450 allowances. I think the earlier guy mentioned $3400 is possible depending on his previous work experiences. Anyway for a 31 year old $3400 seems too little..

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Im a CM at Punggol and drawing $4000 basic with $450 allowances. I think the earlier guy mentioned $3400 is possible depending on his previous work experiences. Anyway for a 31 year old $3400 seems too little..
mind sharing ur age, and deg/ exp? tia!
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a constituency manager is very much what you would describe as an operations manager, in charge of the day-to-day running of the Community Centre.

To a certain extend, you are also the general manager of the branch, looking after all aspects, from revenue collection, scheduling of enrichment classes, managing tenants, public feedbacks, event management, human resource management (staff schedule, leave, mc, resignation, petty fights etc).

You do not have to do everything, however you are in charge of everything. Anyone who have taken a managerial role will agree that your job comfort level is dependent on two key factors:

1) Level of competency of your staff/co-workers.
2) Ability to gel with your team.

If you can't gel or delegate your work, you will suffer from burn-out which leads to turnover.

Ultimately a CM role is very much one of people management, gaining respect and mutual trust from all members in your community club. Go in with both eyes open.
Let's have a sense of perspective here. You might have been sold on this OPS Manager cum General Manager idea by PA, but this position is nowhere near what you have described.

GMs in the real world have actual P&L responsibilities and generally enjoy high autonomy on how they handle branches. Their direct reports are also professional senior managers from Finance, Ops, HR, IT etc.

Contrast this to a Constituency Manager. He has almost no independent decision making power in running the branch, all the activities his branch needs to run is dictated by higher ups or grassroots. Policies like marketing, IT, Pay Benefits etc is also top down from above. There is no Business Development component and financial decisions is all about working within $xxx that was given each year. People under him are mostly uncles aunties who are lowly educated and have been around for decades.

The closest private sector job to a CM is that of a Team Supervisor of a group of non-PMET workers. To say its a OPS Manager is already stretching the truth, to say its like a GM role is outright laughable.

PA recognizes this as well, that's why you see these super low salaries at 3+ to 4k. They are effectively paying a Senior Executive or Team Supervisor pay and this is what it is. While you may have the headcount under you in terms of numbers, the roles and responsibilites of the GM is not about how big your team is.

I'm not trying to denegrate the CMs out there, but you guys need to have a realistic view of how your jobs compare to private sector and also where your pay positioning is. It will be useful next time if you want to move on to another public or private sector job.
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mind sharing ur age, and deg/ exp? tia!
My age is 29 and got a 2nd upper class from a foreign uni. Has about 8 yrs of working experience from a previous ministry as MSO. (dip level)
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Let's have a sense of perspective here. You might have been sold on this OPS Manager cum General Manager idea by PA, but this position is nowhere near what you have described.

GMs in the real world have actual P&L responsibilities and generally enjoy high autonomy on how they handle branches. Their direct reports are also professional senior managers from Finance, Ops, HR, IT etc.

Contrast this to a Constituency Manager. He has almost no independent decision making power in running the branch, all the activities his branch needs to run is dictated by higher ups or grassroots. Policies like marketing, IT, Pay Benefits etc is also top down from above. There is no Business Development component and financial decisions is all about working within $xxx that was given each year. People under him are mostly uncles aunties who are lowly educated and have been around for decades.

The closest private sector job to a CM is that of a Team Supervisor of a group of non-PMET workers. To say its a OPS Manager is already stretching the truth, to say its like a GM role is outright laughable.

PA recognizes this as well, that's why you see these super low salaries at 3+ to 4k. They are effectively paying a Senior Executive or Team Supervisor pay and this is what it is. While you may have the headcount under you in terms of numbers, the roles and responsibilites of the GM is not about how big your team is.

I'm not trying to denegrate the CMs out there, but you guys need to have a realistic view of how your jobs compare to private sector and also where your pay positioning is. It will be useful next time if you want to move on to another public or private sector job.
i find you really shallow and ridiculous for the fact that you seems to think power and authority is much more important than the salary you drawing here.

Honestly, I read through the entire forum and nobody is talking CM as someone holding high power and position. We are only discussing about the salary. Where are you coming from?

Also, you describe drawing $3-4k as "super low" and 4k at 29 years old is no embarrassment at all. How many 29-30 yrs old are drawing $4k basic ?

Anyway, I am more than happy to draw my $4k basic and do what you describe as "
Team supervisor" role. We are here talking about salary and not comparing who has higher authority and power. You should be going to another forum and brag instead.

I like to emphasize again CM is just a title and nobody is overly excited and showing off about it. But to draw $4k basic is no shame at all and to perform the role of so call "team supervisor" is a decent role.

Wake up ur ideas
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Btw, anyone can share the staff grading of a CM and the progression along the way?


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i find you really shallow and ridiculous for the fact that you seems to think power and authority is much more important than the salary you drawing here.

Honestly, I read through the entire forum and nobody is talking CM as someone holding high power and position. We are only discussing about the salary. Where are you coming from?

Also, you describe drawing $3-4k as "super low" and 4k at 29 years old is no embarrassment at all. How many 29-30 yrs old are drawing $4k basic ?

Anyway, I am more than happy to draw my $4k basic and do what you describe as "
Team supervisor" role. We are here talking about salary and not comparing who has higher authority and power. You should be going to another forum and brag instead.

I like to emphasize again CM is just a title and nobody is overly excited and showing off about it. But to draw $4k basic is no shame at all and to perform the role of so call "team supervisor" is a decent role.

Wake up ur ideas
I think his/her intention is good. He/She was just clarifying the misconceptions from Paychecksg, pointing out that CM is not the same level as the GM /Op Mgr in the pte sector, from both scope of responsibilities and salary level point of view. I don't think he/she was trying to belittle what a CM do.
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I think his/her intention is good. He/She was just clarifying the misconceptions from Paychecksg, pointing out that CM is not the same level as the GM /Op Mgr in the pte sector, from both scope of responsibilities and salary level point of view. I don't think he/she was trying to belittle what a CM do.
Job responsibility not as same level as GM or Ops Mgr in private sector but pay wise is definitely among the higher band in excess of $4k basic. I would rather go for a high pay job with lesser responsbility. Call me CM GM or SM its just a title at the end of the day. HR professionals still look at your last drawn before they decide your next package.
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