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Old 24-03-2021, 01:06 PM
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Programming can't fake one.
Some people can fake it but fakers don't last very long.

I used to work with some faker with all the fake Microsoft cert he took online with leaked answer.
Ask him to restore database. He don't know.
Not only don't know... He don't know how to Google.

I used to ask him "I thought you have Microsoft sql sever certification?"

He say long time never use...

And yes he is foreign talent.. Burmese. Company terminate him after 3 months probation..
That's why now after working in tech for 10 years I distrust every programmer until they can produce a usable deliverable product. Until then, it's just ********.
Cause FT doesnt know how to fake it.

I entered my current job saying i know Python, SQL etc. But I actually didn't know. I'm in my 2nd year now and am still drawing a nice salary

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Old 24-03-2021, 01:09 PM
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The best kind of fakke programmer is the one who list out all the programming language.
But have never actually use them for 3 years etc.

Usually in tech, mobile who work on mobile only doesn't really know Web. Those Web also don't really know mobile. Those desktop also different.

But every so often you see a interviewee claim he know all. Can do all. Full stack developer he said
Ask for high pay...

Usually we don't entertain all this nonsense. But boss was impressed by 1 guy. NUS FCH comp science with 3 years exp.

So hire him. Give him a 3 months task to deliver. First 3 months alot of ********. About planning. Designing etc. Then my boss ask me to work on that prokect.

1 month I did it. The fake guy 3 months also no result.
So my boss show him my work and say we are looking for people who can deliver product.
Sorry you don't meet our expectation...

Terminated within the 3 months probation, so company don't pay compensation...

Yeah you can fake.
Give you high pay can't do also no use.
The higher the pay the worse impostor syndrome.

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Old 24-03-2021, 01:16 PM
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The best kind of fakke programmer is the one who list out all the programming language.
But have never actually use them for 3 years etc.

Usually in tech, mobile who work on mobile only doesn't really know Web. Those Web also don't really know mobile. Those desktop also different.

But every so often you see a interviewee claim he know all. Can do all. Full stack developer he said
Ask for high pay...

Usually we don't entertain all this nonsense. But boss was impressed by 1 guy. NUS FCH comp science with 3 years exp.

So hire him. Give him a 3 months task to deliver. First 3 months alot of ********. About planning. Designing etc. Then my boss ask me to work on that prokect.

1 month I did it. The fake guy 3 months also no result.
So my boss show him my work and say we are looking for people who can deliver product.
Sorry you don't meet our expectation...

Terminated within the 3 months probation, so company don't pay compensation...

Yeah you can fake.
Give you high pay can't do also no use.
The higher the pay the worse impostor syndrome.
Yes but the ultimate objective is to get paid and thats it. who cares got what impostor syndrome

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Old 24-03-2021, 01:19 PM
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Cause FT doesnt know how to fake it.

I entered my current job saying i know Python, SQL etc. But I actually didn't know. I'm in my 2nd year now and am still drawing a nice salary
Cause your company is lousy.
Come work under me. We do scrum.
Every sprint is 2 to 3 weeks.

Example first sprint I'll ask you to do an api to do the basic crud for one module.
That one 1 week should see base. After 1 week Friday afternoon, you need to demo to the team for code review.

Then i can see liao.if you pass, then will ask you to improve your sql. To avoid deadlock etc.
Then next sprint more function.
Then next sprint load test.

Within 1 month I can see how real is your sql python skills.
After we follow scrum we weed out all the fake one.

The zai one stayed. We increased their pay as reward. No question ask.
Till today those still wirh us.
Fake one come and go so fast. We make sure 1 month out they go.
Yes we ruthless. So don't try to fake us that you know docker, data analytics, ai. Cause we will assign you work to prove it.

Even if there is no actual work. We will take problem and assign to you.
We don't expect you to last 1 month.
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Old 24-03-2021, 01:32 PM
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Cause your company is lousy.
Come work under me. We do scrum.
Every sprint is 2 to 3 weeks.

Example first sprint I'll ask you to do an api to do the basic crud for one module.
That one 1 week should see base. After 1 week Friday afternoon, you need to demo to the team for code review.

Then i can see liao.if you pass, then will ask you to improve your sql. To avoid deadlock etc.
Then next sprint more function.
Then next sprint load test.

Within 1 month I can see how real is your sql python skills.
After we follow scrum we weed out all the fake one.

The zai one stayed. We increased their pay as reward. No question ask.
Till today those still wirh us.
Fake one come and go so fast. We make sure 1 month out they go.
Yes we ruthless. So don't try to fake us that you know docker, data analytics, ai. Cause we will assign you work to prove it.

Even if there is no actual work. We will take problem and assign to you.
We don't expect you to last 1 month.
Finally something of substance. This is what I mean - real programmers that make dough. You earn what you deserve, because you deliver what others can't.
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Old 24-03-2021, 01:38 PM
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Cause your company is lousy.
Come work under me. We do scrum.
Every sprint is 2 to 3 weeks.

Example first sprint I'll ask you to do an api to do the basic crud for one module.
That one 1 week should see base. After 1 week Friday afternoon, you need to demo to the team for code review.

Then i can see liao.if you pass, then will ask you to improve your sql. To avoid deadlock etc.
Then next sprint more function.
Then next sprint load test.

Within 1 month I can see how real is your sql python skills.
After we follow scrum we weed out all the fake one.

The zai one stayed. We increased their pay as reward. No question ask.
Till today those still wirh us.
Fake one come and go so fast. We make sure 1 month out they go.
Yes we ruthless. So don't try to fake us that you know docker, data analytics, ai. Cause we will assign you work to prove it.

Even if there is no actual work. We will take problem and assign to you.
We don't expect you to last 1 month.
Damn heng I never work under you ah. My current 5.2k salary (Started at 5k last year) is ez game man
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Old 24-03-2021, 01:40 PM
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Finally something of substance. This is what I mean - real programmers that make dough. You earn what you deserve, because you deliver what others can't.
Sadly alot of big mnc is not like this, we are pretty much short handed. Got project just need to hire someone to deliver it. No time to handhold or teach cause ourselves don't know how to deliver.

My mnc value senior more than frsh grad cause after 10 years we see each year the fresh grad really cmi.
Really puzzled why fresh grad become so valuable the last 3 years.

What is constant is fresh grad usually can't deliver.
They need guidance. Then why the high pay? Even higher than existing exp.

And exp programmer is okay with 4.5k cause its even higher than their current 4k.
But fresh grad haven't started working already not happy cause its not 5k.

I think those tech company come here and hire all the fresh grad will be in for a rude awakening when they realised that Singapore talent in tech pool is just good grade.

And not good quality.
Eventually they will move to Philippines or Vietnam for cheaper labor with the main HQ in Singapore.
Singapore work force is just too expensive for little to no quality.
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Damn heng I never work under you ah. My current 5.2k salary (Started at 5k last year) is ez game man
I director come in office late.
Make some phone call. Call some meeting for progress update.
See some demo. Prepare some presentation.

10k per month.

Sometime I feel like an impostor in my office. I don't have those master of MBA or what not.
My company is just some food manufacturing with a simple R&D.
I'm the director in the R&D.

Also we just outsource the work to some sme cause its cheaper.
I feel like a fraud earning 10k and don't have to deal with like important stuff like govtech or shoppee.
Or Facebook.

But the owner is my schoolmate, he trusted me to direct the technology. He very old school.
We not doing anything fancy like block chain or what.
Just some algorithm to improve production.
Some automation to detect anomaly etc.
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Sadly alot of big mnc is not like this, we are pretty much short handed. Got project just need to hire someone to deliver it. No time to handhold or teach cause ourselves don't know how to deliver.

My mnc value senior more than frsh grad cause after 10 years we see each year the fresh grad really cmi.
Really puzzled why fresh grad become so valuable the last 3 years.

What is constant is fresh grad usually can't deliver.
They need guidance. Then why the high pay? Even higher than existing exp.

And exp programmer is okay with 4.5k cause its even higher than their current 4k.
But fresh grad haven't started working already not happy cause its not 5k.

I think those tech company come here and hire all the fresh grad will be in for a rude awakening when they realised that Singapore talent in tech pool is just good grade.

And not good quality.
Eventually they will move to Philippines or Vietnam for cheaper labor with the main HQ in Singapore.
Singapore work force is just too expensive for little to no quality.
precisely. i am seeing fresh grad "programmers" fetching 5k salary with 0 experience in programming. some engineering background at best. Gets me wondering - should I jump too? because getting paid 4-5k to learn is a luxury many would love to engage themselves in.
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precisely. i am seeing fresh grad "programmers" fetching 5k salary with 0 experience in programming. some engineering background at best. Gets me wondering - should I jump too? because getting paid 4-5k to learn is a luxury many would love to engage themselves in.
No. you work in mcdonalds.
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