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Old 06-04-2024, 06:58 PM
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spoken true to my heart. not sure if all organisations are the same. primary job scope performance does not translate to ranking. in their eyes, primary job scopes are equal and only additional 'projects' or 'organising events' is the differentiation. good people are overworked, bad performance are given a pass.
Read what you wrote, but slowly this time. If you do your primary scope, you are decent and hence a C. If you go beyond your primary scope and 'overwork', you may deserve something better than a C. Makes sense?



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Read what you wrote, but slowly this time. If you do your primary scope, you are decent and hence a C. If you go beyond your primary scope and 'overwork', you may deserve something better than a C. Makes sense?
I disagree. The intensity of the primary job varies among departments. Hence, shouldn't just take it that someone who has secondary things meaning they go over and beyond and also assume that everyone performs average for primary jobs which might not be the case. I have seen people who just focus on secondary things because they know that's how to get more than a C or even a promotion and they just did crap for their primary job and someone has to take their ****.

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I disagree. The intensity of the primary job varies among departments. Hence, shouldn't just take it that someone who has secondary things meaning they go over and beyond and also assume that everyone performs average for primary jobs which might not be the case. I have seen people who just focus on secondary things because they know that's how to get more than a C or even a promotion and they just did crap for their primary job and someone has to take their ****.
I respect your views. But if a person cannot even do their primary job well, seldom are they given the opportunities for secondary tasks. After all, more work often goes to those who are capable doesn't it? Unless the RO is blind.



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I respect your views. But if a person cannot even do their primary job well, seldom are they given the opportunities for secondary tasks. After all, more work often goes to those who are capable, doesn't it? Unless the RO is blind.
That's the thing. Many times, bosses don't care, so long as someone takes over and finishes it, including CCA that would benefit the bosses as well. Because the management uses secondary tasks or CCA to benchmark promotion or good scoring, it results in people taking shortcuts and not wanting to do their primary job well. It became a choice. When the bosses also want to score points and hands and legs are willing to come help, honestly, they won't care if you can perform well in your primary job, they just care if you can help them to complete the secondary tasks. These are not my views, but what I have seen all these well. A wrongly built culture and beliefs.
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That's the thing. Many times, bosses don't care, so long as someone takes over and finishes it, including CCA that would benefit the bosses as well. Because the management uses secondary tasks or CCA to benchmark promotion or good scoring, it results in people taking shortcuts and not wanting to do their primary job well. It became a choice. When the bosses also want to score points and hands and legs are willing to come help, honestly, they won't care if you can perform well in your primary job, they just care if you can help them to complete the secondary tasks. These are not my views, but what I have seen all these well. A wrongly built culture and beliefs.
I joined civil service with a significantly smaller “primary scope” as compared to my peers. As a result, I am able to voluntarily take on a lot more CCAs and this has given me a favourable CEP.
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I joined civil service with a significantly smaller “primary scope” as compared to my peers. As a result, I am able to voluntarily take on a lot more CCAs and this has given me a favourable CEP.
which ministry is this? thanks!
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I joined civil service with a significantly smaller “primary scope” as compared to my peers. As a result, I am able to voluntarily take on a lot more CCAs and this has given me a favourable CEP.
such a good life.
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I respect your views. But if a person cannot even do their primary job well, seldom are they given the opportunities for secondary tasks. After all, more work often goes to those who are capable doesn't it? Unless the RO is blind.
Happens more often than you think
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That's the thing. Many times, bosses don't care, so long as someone takes over and finishes it, including CCA that would benefit the bosses as well. Because the management uses secondary tasks or CCA to benchmark promotion or good scoring, it results in people taking shortcuts and not wanting to do their primary job well. It became a choice. When the bosses also want to score points and hands and legs are willing to come help, honestly, they won't care if you can perform well in your primary job, they just care if you can help them to complete the secondary tasks. These are not my views, but what I have seen all these well. A wrongly built culture and beliefs.
Very true. This culture permeates through the entire civil service stack.

Each person's KPI is assessed based on the secondary tasks they perform and the impact they brought to their organisation.

Those who can make their boss looks good, will be appraised favourably. If their boss can make their boss looks good, they get good appraisals.

Become an exercise in wayang. The ones who can wayang the best get rewarded.


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For a typical overseas scholar from a stat board, what would the CEP normally be? LP9 at least? (ihope?)
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