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Old 09-04-2010, 02:26 PM
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Hi,

Here are some information I culled from the net and talking to people. Hope it helps…

Your dad got a point there because right now, the government is pushing the sector to be the regional aerospace Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul (MRO) hub. There are still many other branches in aerospace like Research and development, manufacturing etc, but the bulk of the business in Singapore aerospace sector is MRO, is what the government is trying to push now. With the new Seletar aerospace hub, there is a demand for skilled employees. And now, there are reports that they are facing a shortage. Hence, WDA had been giving subsidies and funding for training in that particular branch.

If LAE is what you want to be, a degree is not really necessary. A diploma will suffice. You will only need an engineering degree to be a Cat C LAE. This information can be found at:

http://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb/expor...-66_Issue2.pdf

To be an LAE, regardless whether you have a degree or diploma, you will have to clear the CAAS papers, and have completed your On-Job-Training (OJT), before you will be issued a license to start work.

The normal route to being an LAE is to undergo Apprentice / Trainee Aircraft Licensed Maintenance Engineer Course, which is offered by either SIA Engineering Company or ST Aerospace. In which they will offer training (lessons & On-Job-Training) and will fund your CAAS papers. On top of it, they will give you a monthly allowance. Both require you to sign a bond. More details can be found at their website.

SIAEC: Apprentice Aircraft Maintenance Engineer - SIA Engineering Company

In fact, ST Aerospace is currently having an intake.

[email protected] Technologies Engineering Ltd - Main Page

If you have a degree, be it Mechanical Engineering majoring in Aeronautical Engineering, or a degree in Aeronautical Engineering, the normal route people take is not to become an LAE, they become a ‘degree’ engineer, or what they call ‘white collar’. They don’t have to sign off certain parts or aircraft. Some of the position they might take up would be Technical Services Engineer, Quality Assurance Engineer etc. They will be providing solutions for various aerospace engineering problems, for eg. Improving airframe structure, engine, or what the LAEs can’t find the solution in the maintenance manual, they will consult them.

An LAE is what they consider ‘blue collar’. They will bear the responsibility if the aircraft they sign off gets into any problems. Their basic pay will depend on which type rating they have on their licenses. The more you know, the more allowances you will get. And these special to type rating or aircraft types will require you to take another test apart from your CAAS papers. So it depends if an LAE is highly paid. They most likely will be put on shift work and lots of OT, for example, 12 hour shift + 6 hour OT after that. Do that for a month. The basic pay might be 2k to 3k, but after OT, will shoot up to 5k to 6k, which might be more than the ‘white collar’ engineer earns. The ‘white collar’ engineer does not get paid if he need to do OT, they usually work office hours.

I’m not sure if you have a diploma or ‘A’ levels. If you don’t have at least a diploma, most likely you will not be accepted to be a trainee LAE. You probably be accepted as an Aircraft Technician, doing most of the repair works as opposed to the LAE, does more of signing off and minimal repair. Pay is lesser. But there are still MRO courses being funded by the government right now. WDA is offering up to 90 percent subsidy if you take Air Transport Training College Foundation Degree in Aircraft Engineering. They also give an allowance of 1k per month, they have a bond of 2 years in the aerospace industry though. More details: Air Transport Training College

Or you can take up UniSim’s Bsc Aviation Maintenance, in partnership with Embry-Riddle University, one of the top aerospace university out there. WDA is giving out a scholarship. More details :

Welcome to SIM University

If you really want to do engineering. I suggest that you do the Mechanical Engineering major in aeronautical engineering, unless if you have keen interest or passion in the aerospace field, then you jump straight into Aeronautical Engineering. In case you find out that aerospace is not for you, you will have a backup to the venture into the mechanical side.

Hope that all helps.

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I'm actually Malaysian and i just finish my STPM which is equivalent to A levels.
My grandparents are singaporean and i'm intended to continue my study at singapore. The training programme listed above is not eligible for foreigners? Which university in singapore provide aeronautical engineering courses? I know that NTU provide aerospace engineering degree(does this aerospace engineering degree has good job prospect in singapore?)


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actually if you want to be an LAE in singapore, join the polytechnic! Uni in singapore are actually meant to be more for design purpose not much of the maintance.
There are more than one type of LAE eg. CAT B is for mechanic engineering which then are seperated into CAT B1.1,B1.2,B1.3 and B1.4. CAT B2 is for electrical engineering. To qualify for CAT C you have to work for a minmium of 5 years if im not wrong and its not compulsory to have a degree in engineering, however its prefered to have one. EASA is for european standard and CAAS is singapore standard. if you want to practice in singapore you must obtain a CAAS license. however, this license can be converted to EASA if you were to go to europe and work there as an LAE. I dont think you will be able to obtain a EASA license if you were to join the aust uni. it will most probably let you complete all the EASA theory modules in 2 years time. If im not wrong, in order to take the CAAS paper you must be under a organisation. Anyway joining some polytechnic allow you to take up to 9 CAAS SAR-66 paper. these papers excluding air legistration and one more paper have a lifespan of 10 year. All in all, if you want to be an LAE join Polytechnic! it will be shortest route to be an LAE! my 2 cents

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Old 14-04-2010, 10:26 AM
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So joining the polytechnic will be the fastest route to become a LAE.
Can anyone tell me aerospace engineering degree programme has any job prospect in singapore?
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Beside the one at UniSIM, you can also talk to the people at ATTC...
Air Transport Training College
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u could consider coming to temasek poly? im doing mechatronics (major-aerospace), we get to do our intern with lufstansa training centre which is in campus, which is where we do our "training". during your 3 years in in poly, school will help you to take up to i think 11 caas papers? (up to M15 i think)

now we have a new course aerospace engineering, it should be more specialised and you could look into it?

im not sure if sp or np offers caas papers? anyone knows?


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Yup SP and NP offer caas paper.. SP Aeronautical Engineering was the first Aero course offered in Poly since 2002...
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You will only do 2.5 years apprenticeship in SIAEC if you graduate in Singapore Poly- Aeronautical Engineering or Aerospace Electronics.. Ngee Ann Poly- Aerospace Technology..

Apprentice Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (DARE/DASE) - SIA Engineering Company

Few of my SP seniors who passed out as LAE, they got their 747 and A380 aircraft rating.. However, most of them complain about life in SIAEC. Anyway I did my industrial attachment in SIAEC for 6 months at Base Maintenance. Hangar 4- Passenger to Freighter conversion. I was from ITE College Yishun- Aerospace Technology then to Singapore Poly- Aeronautical Engineering..

Currently doing my final year in SP. Was given the opportunity to take external CAAS SAR 66 Basic paper. 9 modules total but you may take 2 or 3. I didnt took it. Anyway Aero course modules in SP are credited CAAS too so dont worry.

It dosent matter which Aero courses in Poly you go to. The important thing is passion and the hardwork you are willing to put. Life as apprentice is very tough. I was being told by experience LAEs and seniors.

PS: Frankly speaking LAEs in Singapore gets little pay compare to Other countries.

My 2 cents view..
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The more aircraft ratings you have the more responsibilities you have. I suggest try to find out more how is the condition like before making any decision.

Before you sign the 8 year bond make sure you must really think twice as some of my friends who signed up for the scheme eventually regret and break the bond and need to pay the liquidation damages.

Eventually after you completed the training, your position as LAE is "quite stagnant" for the remaining of your contract until if by luck you are promoted or your request to transfer to other positions are successful. Career path advancement in MROs are slow due to there are too many staffs in the company unless you are really very outstanding.

Yes it is true you can earn more doing more OTs, but OT nowadays are very subjective in different companies as they are moving in a direction to cut cost and have a quick turn around time as in the long run company and customers also want to save money.

Just speaking from my experience and views.
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Hi guys. Im 24 this year and currently undergoing the specialist diploma in aircraft maintenance engineering at ATTC.
My doubts are on where do i go next? Do i join a trainee engineer/ technician bond or do i look for a job straightaway. My dream is to become a LAE.
Any advices / opinions? Thanks and cheers!
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