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Old 05-03-2010, 06:48 PM
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Thanks again for your time and efforts in helping me, Ntriz.
I have applied NTU and NUS but still waiting for the outcome. For NTU, applicants are allowed to change their choices of course before 31 of march. So i'm still thinking over it. For NTU, I saw there are aerospace engineering and aeronautical engineering which is under the fourth year of mecha engineering. What's the difference in this two tittle which sounds similar.
By the way, i'm actually a Malaysian but my grandparents are singaporean.
I know that MINDEF is singapore army(My mum told me) but how about MNCS ( what's that?)
My STPM results is similar to A level standard. I obtained 2A- for my physic and general paper and 2B+ for my chemistry and mathematics. (A,A-,B+,B,B-,C+,C... A will be the best grade.) Hope you dont mind wasting your time on a foreigner
You're welcome. In fact, I'm not local either hahahahaz... I'm from ASEAN region as well.
Hmm... you should spend more time doing some research. MNCs = Multi-National Companies. examples of MNCs are Rolls Royce, Pratt & Whitney, Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, etc. while local MNCs include Singapore Airlines (SIA), Creative Technology, etc.

I think you have misunderstood the NTU website. There are in fact 2 different degree programmes being offered, Aerospace Engin programme, and Mechanical Engin programme (NTU School of MAE)

For students enrolled into Mechanical Engineering stream, there're 8 specialisations to choose from. "Aeronautical" specialisation is named in that way so that people won't get confused with Aerospace stream of students, which are enrolled in totally different curricular system. Also, direct entry to Aerospace engin programme will prepare you for that area right from first year. However, choosing aeronautical specialisation for your mechanical engin programme will allow you to learn more about aerospace/aeronautical (these 2 words are synonyms of each other. they're the same!)

Looking at your grades, I would suggest you should try choosing Aerospace Engineering as your first choice, and Mechanical Engineering as a second choice (again, THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT DEGREE PREGRAMMES OFFERED BY MAE SCHOOL). Note that ALL students in Aerospace Engineering in NTU had straight As in their A levels. However, it's still worth a try, as A A B B will surely put you into Mechanical Engineering programme. Thus, you can opt for mech. eng. as your 2nd choice and later on in your 3rd year, you can decide what specialisation you would like to choose for your final year of study.

The 8 specialisations have their purposes. This will open up more career path as well. Also, since students entering direct Aerospace Engin are top A level scorers, you may find it hard to stay on the right side of the distribution curve, which is how you'll be graded in universities (normal distribution). Thus, plan carefully.

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Old 05-03-2010, 10:31 PM
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My advice is pursue for more general degress like Mechanical or Electrical engineering first if you are really uncertain to go into aerospace industry to leave a backdoor for yourself in the case that you are not interested anymore. If you are certain to go for aerospace industry then go ahead pursue the Aerospace degree. Even with Aerospace/Mechanical/Electrical degrees when you have joined the aerospace industry eg. licensing or MRO, you will still need to go for further specialization, training or take licensing papers like CAAS.

For myself i joined the aerospace industry after poly after getting a mechanical eng diploma as my parents are retired and unable to fund for my degree studies. Lucky enough i am able to take time off from my work to study part time for my degree.

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Singaporeans are generally very ok with Malaysians. You guys have long contributed to our workforce and economy since the early days without many issues.

It's our government's recent lax foreign immigration policy that we are not happy with. You can see them busy trying to appease the citizens before the general election.
Oh, I see. May i know which university u studied? Besides aerospace engineering that work at airport, are there any others workplace for aero eng?
Currently, im choosing between aerospace eng and computer eng. Another problem will be will i be accepted by the uni.

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Old 06-03-2010, 01:09 PM
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Another question, why didn't see any data about aerospace engineering in the graduates employment survey? All types of engineering are in the survey except aero. Do you know anything about it?
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My advice is pursue for more general degress like Mechanical or Electrical engineering first if you are really uncertain to go into aerospace industry to leave a backdoor for yourself in the case that you are not interested anymore. If you are certain to go for aerospace industry then go ahead pursue the Aerospace degree. Even with Aerospace/Mechanical/Electrical degrees when you have joined the aerospace industry eg. licensing or MRO, you will still need to go for further specialization, training or take licensing papers like CAAS.

For myself i joined the aerospace industry after poly after getting a mechanical eng diploma as my parents are retired and unable to fund for my degree studies. Lucky enough i am able to take time off from my work to study part time for my degree.
So lets say after I graduate from aerospace and I would like to venture into aerospace industry, I have to take certain test to be able to work as aero engineer or just im not qualified enough to examine certain parts or models of the airplanes? I heard aero engineer working hours is not very constant? Do we have to do heavy work?(I mean like lifting heavy loads)

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So lets say after I graduate from aerospace and I would like to venture into aerospace industry, I have to take certain test to be able to work as aero engineer or just im not qualified enough to examine certain parts or models of the airplanes? I heard aero engineer working hours is not very constant? Do we have to do heavy work?(I mean like lifting heavy loads)
Much depends whether you are in the blue collar or white collar position.
1) Blue collar positions (more hands on), most likely you need to take the "certain tests" as you need to release part,components,aircraft etc. and may some do heavy work (but much depends on your job assignment) and high chances you will be on shift.
2) But for white collar positions eg. technical services engineer: you may or may not need to take "certain test" as chances for you certifying items are very low (in some companies can be yes or no) and workscope is more to office level or paperwork and low chances to be on shift.

FYI for the blue collar positions most of the entry requirement is only diploma level, but now there is also a lot of degree holder who is in those positions.

Hope those can clarify ur doubts.
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Thx for the info^^

1. May i know how long is the shift? 5hours or 8hours shift?

2. The blue collar positions and white collar position's salaries differ a lot?

3. May i know the white collar jobs? (i mean the tile of their occupation)

4. Which is in higher demand? (blue or white)
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There are 2 main MRO in Singapore. SIAEC and ST Eng. If you wish to be a licensed aircraft engineer (LAE), you would only require a diploma. All the local polytechnics has 3 types of aerospace course

1. Avionics or B2(aviation electronics)
2. A & C or B1(Airframe and Engine)
3. Aviation Management

In order to become a LAE, you need to take CAAS papers. So far only Temasek Polytechnic enables you to take them during your period in school. If not, you can work your way into an apprenticeship scheme in the MRO where they will send you to take the CAAS papers. However, you will be bonded for several years with them.

Those with degree will also be accepted for the apprenticeship scheme. Mechanical engineer will be doing B1 while Electrical engineer will be B2.

Working conditions is not the best in MRO compared to those sitting in office.

Pay is miserable low while as an apprentice.

SIAEC main business comes from SIA (newer fleet - cleaner plane, fewer problems) while ST Eng business comes from other airlines. (older planes, dirtier, poorer conditions). SIAEC has a more established training program compared to ST Eng.

My advice to you. Get a general degree. The more you specialise, the more you narrow your choices. Specialisation in aerospace might work if you do well, but if it doesn't, you still have a backup plan.
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There are 2 main MRO in Singapore. SIAEC and ST Eng. If you wish to be a licensed aircraft engineer (LAE), you would only require a diploma. All the local polytechnics has 3 types of aerospace course

1. Avionics or B2(aviation electronics)
2. A & C or B1(Airframe and Engine)
3. Aviation Management

In order to become a LAE, you need to take CAAS papers. So far only Temasek Polytechnic enables you to take them during your period in school. If not, you can work your way into an apprenticeship scheme in the MRO where they will send you to take the CAAS papers. However, you will be bonded for several years with them.

Those with degree will also be accepted for the apprenticeship scheme. Mechanical engineer will be doing B1 while Electrical engineer will be B2.

Working conditions is not the best in MRO compared to those sitting in office.

Pay is miserable low while as an apprentice.

SIAEC main business comes from SIA (newer fleet - cleaner plane, fewer problems) while ST Eng business comes from other airlines. (older planes, dirtier, poorer conditions). SIAEC has a more established training program compared to ST Eng.

My advice to you. Get a general degree. The more you specialise, the more you narrow your choices. Specialisation in aerospace might work if you do well, but if it doesn't, you still have a backup plan.
1. Lets say im graduate from aerospace degree, i still need to undergo the apprenticeship scheme and need to take CAAS paper?

2. Im not qualified as a licensed aircraft engineer (LAE) with my aerospace degree?

3. Every aerospace engineering degree holder will need to undergoes all that if they want to be a LAE??
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1. Lets say im graduate from aerospace degree, i still need to undergo the apprenticeship scheme and need to take CAAS paper?

2. Im not qualified as a licensed aircraft engineer (LAE) with my aerospace degree?

3. Every aerospace engineering degree holder will need to undergoes all that if they want to be a LAE??
That's the purpose of apprenticeship to train you up on your hands on skill and knowledge of aircraft. LAE apprenticeship bond last 8 years (3 years training + 5 years bond). If you break the bond during this period, you have to pay the company.

You're not qualified directly from your degree to be LAE, as you still need to take CAAS and OJT (on the job training) as requirement from CAAS. Unless your degree can exempt you from taking CAAS paper which i believe is rare. Try reading from CAAS website SAR66 (requirements for certifying staff) to understand more the requirement of LAE.

Working hours for LAE can be unfixed. Shift hour last about 8 hours at least from what I know in aerospace. You can earn extra if u work overtime but that have to depends on job loading. Your pay + working overtime as blue collar might exceed your pay for white collar but that still depends on job loading. Working as white collar (means office job), so your pay if quite fixed (no overtime/extra income).

So you better think carefully regarding your path.
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