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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi fellow juniors, internship is nothing so please don be self entitled

In my year when I’m a fresh grad PHD in com science with post doc (considered as internship) I don’t get any higher when I join.

Am i supposed to be convinced by this? sounds to me like you got the short end of the stick and you willingly took it. Please go and re-evaluate your self worth. Man's out here publicly patting himself on the back for getting scammed.

what is MDR O_O

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Mid career switchers in grade D and computing grads in grade D, you tell me (disregarding the competencies, just purely comparing avg), is this fair comparison?

and LOL why are you gatekeeping what's "proper years of experience"? You still are doing real work in internship and you still have impact and learn things. What basis are you invalidating this from? your "actual" years of exp? The only entitlement I see is from you and your "oh these new comers should get less than me because of my YeArs of AcTuAl experience". Who knows you maybe a zhou bo lang? but oh got YOE so here you must be capable.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Mid career switchers in grade D and computing grads in grade D, you tell me (disregarding the competencies, just purely comparing avg), is this fair comparison?

and LOL why are you gatekeeping what's "proper years of experience"? You still are doing real work in internship and you still have impact and learn things. What basis are you invalidating this from? your "actual" years of exp? The only entitlement I see is from you and your "oh these new comers should get less than me because of my YeArs of AcTuAl experience". Who knows you maybe a zhou bo lang? but oh got YOE so here you must be capable.

Sorry intern, your work is just not as valuable as full-time work . In a few years, when you start getting to plan an internship for your own intern, you'll see why. Intern work is very carefully planned to not be on the critical path, to generally be sandboxed, to be lighter on design and heavier on implementation because those are the requirements for a project you can delegate to someone new to the industry.

Unless you're telling me that a new joiner with 0 industry exp can somehow handle heavy design and strategic tasks more than someone who's been working in the industry and company for awhile. In which case, that is a very capable intern who wouldn't be at GovTech in the first place. They would be going to FAANGs already out of grad. Clearly that's not you though .

aiya just release the reports la

i was a semi mid career switcher and i'm convinced GT juniors are paid way more than avg.

Not comparing to FAANG level companies for sure cause if they are the benchmarks then you should be working in that sector

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Mid career switchers in grade D and computing grads in grade D, you tell me (disregarding the competencies, just purely comparing avg), is this fair comparison?

and LOL why are you gatekeeping what's "proper years of experience"? You still are doing real work in internship and you still have impact and learn things. What basis are you invalidating this from? your "actual" years of exp? The only entitlement I see is from you and your "oh these new comers should get less than me because of my YeArs of AcTuAl experience". Who knows you maybe a zhou bo lang? but oh got YOE so here you must be capable.

lmao yknow when we plan work for interns we literally have discussions that go:

"ok the work for the interns right let them do fun stuff but the touch and go kind. then make sure the full time guy who takes over can immediately carry on from there"

gonna break it to you: nobody likes interns

Aiya, why no one see the double portion that directors and above gets for corporate bonus?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

MDR should be tied to the competency framework, and not the job grade. This would allow better differentiation of the overachievers in the junior level to be better appreciated.

MDR is tied to role which They identified 30 roles are qualified.
MDR is not tied to job competency and grade.

In order qualify for MDR, u need to meet ur job competency (this is the pre-requisite)

For this yr, There are no MDR adjustments for grade D-F as the data showed these grade remains competitive. May be next yr have??

Not hard to understand right?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry intern, your work is just not as valuable as full-time work . In a few years, when you start getting to plan an internship for your own intern, you'll see why. Intern work is very carefully planned to not be on the critical path, to generally be sandboxed, to be lighter on design and heavier on implementation because those are the requirements for a project you can delegate to someone new to the industry.

Unless you're telling me that a new joiner with 0 industry exp can somehow handle heavy design and strategic tasks more than someone who's been working in the industry and company for awhile. In which case, that is a very capable intern who wouldn't be at GovTech in the first place. They would be going to FAANGs already out of grad. Clearly that's not you though .

Don’t know why you keep mentioning FAANG? Projecting your insecurities ? I get your points but point is that it’s not true freshies have no bargaining power, I’m not saying we have more, I’m saying we don’t have none (referring to previous posts)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lmao yknow when we plan work for interns we literally have discussions that go:

"ok the work for the interns right let them do fun stuff but the touch and go kind. then make sure the full time guy who takes over can immediately carry on from there"

gonna break it to you: nobody likes interns

Lol what a waste of both parties’ time.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry intern, your work is just not as valuable as full-time work . In a few years, when you start getting to plan an internship for your own intern, you'll see why. Intern work is very carefully planned to not be on the critical path, to generally be sandboxed, to be lighter on design and heavier on implementation because those are the requirements for a project you can delegate to someone new to the industry.

Unless you're telling me that a new joiner with 0 industry exp can somehow handle heavy design and strategic tasks more than someone who's been working in the industry and company for awhile. In which case, that is a very capable intern who wouldn't be at GovTech in the first place. They would be going to FAANGs already out of grad. Clearly that's not you though .

hellos I dont think the other guy is saying internship exp == mid/senior. I think he's saying they do amount to some working exp maybe like 1 yoe becos someone else mentioned fresh grads have "zero working exp" "paper qualifications" and "internships are not proper exp".