What is the range for M1?

I assume you took a base salary of 4k? That is for a passed degree with no honors from a local/good university in stat board for the title Engineer (fresh grad). ie. to say, the GPA is not as high as a first class honors, and is between a 'failed' degree and a passed with merit.

Base salary are different for different class of honors.

For 2nd class honors with NS. Basic is 4.6k as of 2018. You are missing out on the Engineer's additional market adjustment bonus of 800/mth. All available allowance/cash benefits/bonuses taken into your computation? Do the maths again. lol

They are underpaid relative to the rest of the civil servants, not to the rest of the market;
compare st and dbs profit margin, dbs supposed to be crown jewel among glcs

relative to the other specialist schemes in cs. cs salaries are pegged to above avg levels, not to avg or below avg; rise of unsustainable startups raised the avg

40k different is too much to say that ST is paying the average. It is more like paying below the 'below average' rate... i.e. to say, short change. lol

People would expect them to pay fairly, the 'average' market rate, or whatever you call it. Since they are working closely with DSTA, CAAS, DSO, ASTAR, just to name a few.

the references you gave are taking from the tax budget officially (putting aside question of raising taxes).

whereas st adjusts based on market demand and supply

Didn't know that govt's hiring of engineers not based on market supply and demand.

Drawing from tax budget or not, there is still a limit, and they have to pay accordingly to market rate as well. When you talk about market rate, you are already talking about supply and demand.

Is there a different between govt's market rate and st's market rate? They are both hiring from the limited pool of engineering talents available in Singapore, be it foreign or not.

I can only say that ST is betting on the ignorance of their new hires, especially fresh grad. So that management can continue to draw above the market rate (my personal assumption) from the amount short-changed from the people below them.

Are you from the management?

I perm staff local grad don’t even have 4k and the salary adjustment not everyone has it FYI and they even cut our bonus. So left the company with more than 500 pay raise in other company with less than 1 year experience

From NTU/NUS/SMU engineering degree?

In govt sector, after the 20% boost for engineers in June 2016, at least 3.8k basic for engineers and 4k basic for Infocom Technology (ICT) related, for fresh grad 'passed' degree with no honors. *The keyword from our DPM's announcement for the 20% boost is "at least" and "starting at" the values stated above.

"Don't even have 4k", probably because you are an engineer doing non-ICT related with a 'passed' degree, no NS. Got 3.8k basic? If yes, then you are not short-changed for the monthly basic. BUT! see below. lol

But for the annual package in ST, you definitely kena short-changed.

And we are comparing apple with apple here. i.e. to say, similar GPA, same degree awarded, class of honors, years of experience, etc. Taking into account all the bonuses, allowance and benefits you will get in the year.

I am from NTU less than 3.8k software engineer , my colleague 2nd lower same salary

I am glad, both of us left the company in less than a year with more than 500 increment in basic. ST is definitely underpay and my hr told me to expect 1.5 mth if your performance is good next year if not just expect 1 mth.

It is good to know that you and your friend left ST for the market rate. Hope you enjoy your new position and company, and that ST could stop short-changing their engineers.

I would love to join them for their job scope and to contribute meaningfully if they can start paying all engineers the market rate(based on govt's data), but such a disappointment even after almost 3.5 years. Nobody dare to fight for the market rate shows that engineers in ST has got no fighting sprit, easily contented, and no wants for the better, how to even bring the company forward with their engineering solutions to their customers?

Something interesting to share, assuming they have 23,000 employees, 8000 are engineers, you take 40k multiply by 8000 gives S$320,000,000 saving each year. This value could be higher because 40k is based on the differences between fresh grad/entry level engineers in govt stat board and ST (for 2nd class upper), and not on the 20% boost across all grades for engineers, which is non-linear.

Total minimum amount short-changed over 3.5 years, S$1,120,000,000. $_$ CEO's bonus? lol

other than job stability, i dun see any benefit in ST.
Engineer as very underpaid.

slightly more than a decade in this coy, promoted 3x since fresh grad E5, annual abt 88-90k nia

Imagine your university mate who went to stat board (also got job stability) as an engineer, graduated same time as you, with same degree, same class of honors. Asked "why are you in a dumping ground?" lol.

Or imagine your university mate who went to DSTA or DSO as an engineer, and working together with you on the same project. A collaboration between the above mentioned organization and ST. What is your motivation to carry on and to give your best, knowing that you both are working on the same thing but not paid the same? lol.

Just curious..

Just sharing my experience joining st 2 years ago.

I was shocked to see they are still using lotus notes for their email. Thought almost all company uses outlook nowadays.

Some bonuses was planning to be cut, national day bonus etc

The bonus isn't good either if you are not from aerospace or marine.

Very outdated in the ways of doing things in terms of such a big company

I left after 6 months and glad to join another company which pay much higher.

But they are always hiring in terms of huge number of vacancy because of high turnovers so fresh grads who are desperate for a job or looking for experience can apply but just dun expect above average pay without any experience.

I think engineers (fresh grads or experience hires) are expecting a market rate (as per govt's announcement/data in April 2016). NOT above average or high pay.

And I don't think its a good idea to short-change their engineers for so many years given the fact that govt has expanded and increases their spending on engineering related projects (smart nation, defense, etc) in Singapore which are mostly handled by ST.

It would be good that ST put the additional profits earned to good use. Such as paying their engineers the market rate as per govt's data, and this will (confirm plus chop) reduce the turnover rate, for sure.

I want to stress again - NOT above average or high pay! But the market rate! lol.

I see many engineers left ST for stat board, and this could post a serious problem for ST's succession planning in the coming years. Furthermore, I don't think many engineers want to leave ST either, most of them just don't want to be short-change and be labeled as 'rubbish' in the dumping ground by their peers who graduated the same year with the same credential.

Its a lose-lose situation here, all because ST continues to be ignorance or act blur, which ever, I am not sure.

Peace. J.

Private uni com sci fresh grad here. I got offered 3.6k. Isit low in the present market rate?
Should I try aiming for NCS as I got called up for an interview there too?

Should be market rate ba. But too bad they remove the stock option for newcomer

Not sure about stock option. But I was told by HR, AWS was removed since 2019.

Well, I don't think so. As long as everyone don't see the 20% salary boost (annual package) across all grades/ranks for engineers (with uni degree) they are still probably not paying engineers the market rate here in Singapore.

Might be paying the market rate of another country without the 20%. But as long as engineers in ST are satisfied for being short-change here in Singapore, and proud to say that they are an engineer in ST, then I think should not be an issue. lol.

Just to add, based on the market rate (govt's data in April 2016), it should be a 20% salary boost for the basic, with at least a 20% boost to the annual package. Annual package could be higher based on real life illustration found in the previous post.

Does this only imply for local uni fresh grad or any other fresh grad from private uni? Im sure Singapore report are mainly focusing based on NUS, NTU, SMU, SIT

I would suggest looking at the World University Ranking to gauge if your private uni is a 'good/reputable university' and then to analyse if you are paid the market rate.

Remember to take the class of honors you have obtained into account. For a fresh grad passed degree from a good/reputable uni, at least 3.8k basic for engineer and at least 4k basic for ICT related (as per reported on the news in April 2016, channel 8/U/CNA, etc. keywords --> 'good/reputable university degree')

The keywords 'at least' and 'starting from' also means no NS taken into account. with NS and/or honors should be at a higher starting rate.

currently E5 Software Engineer grading, worked almost a year drawing 3.7 under new scheme with no aws.

Am very interested in doing Cyber security related jobs in the future and possibly try out other jobs like network, System admin in the future.

Have some questions to ask the more experienced people here.

1) If i leave my current role(software) after 1-2 years and work in cyber security for about 2 years and decide to come back to ST(for job stability), would i be offered a E6 role with my 1-2 year software exp + 2years cyber exp? heard some people got offered 5k for E6 with 3-4 years exp.

2) Considering to apply for ST info sec side, wondering how i should apply for interviews as i'm currently working in ST also, tell the interviewers that i'm interested in cyber side and want to change job scope/role? and would it be awkward to tell my boss/tender after i get offer?

3) also considering to go outside of ST, i know the salary is higher outside but ST gives good job stability and decent progression. Not sure what to do.

might leave my current software role in like 1year or less, any advice?

career advice
 

currently E5 Software Engineer grading, worked almost a year drawing 3.7 under new scheme with no aws.

Am very interested in doing Cyber security related jobs in the future and possibly try out other jobs like network, System admin in the future.

Have some questions to ask the more experienced people here.

1) If i leave my current role(software) after 1-2 years and work in cyber security for about 2 years and decide to come back to ST(for job stability), would i be offered a E6 role with my 1-2 year software exp + 2years cyber exp? heard some people got offered 5k for E6 grading with 3-4 years exp.

2) Considering to apply for ST info sec side, wondering how i should apply for interviews as i'm currently working in ST also, tell the interviewers that i'm interested in cyber side and want to change job scope/role? and would it be awkward to tell my boss/tender after i get offer?

3) also considering to go outside of ST, i know the salary is higher outside but ST gives good job stability and decent annual increment. Not sure what to do.

might leave my current software role in like 1year or less, any advice?

Got a offer from ST, they offer me only 300 increment from current pay. Less than what expected. 2 year contract. I am currently in a perm role. Really difficult to ask for higher. HR so firm keep saying management won't approve. I dont know if this is their tactic to make you accept it.

Not worth to go from perm to contract over $300

Better to moonlight to earn that $300 and keep your perm role.

what if they offer you around 700 increment. Will you take the contract role from perm. Seems that all their new hires are under contract first.

Can consider if there's good chance of converting to perm role.

Hi all, after seeing all the comments here. Need some feedback here as i just got offered a sr eng E6 with very close to 5k in the land system commercial side. But I was abit skeptical is that ST dont payout aws. My current company is us mnc and im Engineering 2 taking 56k anually with 1month aws included, but there is no fix increment and bonus. With what ST offered, i will be getting ~59k anually excluding the bonus. Im currently 28yo with 5 years exp. What is your thought on this deal and the career progression.

currently E5 Software Engineer grading, worked almost a year drawing 3.7 under new scheme with no aws.

Am very interested in doing Cyber security related jobs in the future and possibly try out other jobs like network, System admin in the future.

Have some questions to ask the more experienced people here.

1) If i leave my current role(software) after 1-2 years and work in cyber security for about 2 years and decide to come back to ST(for job stability), would i be offered a E6 role with my 1-2 year software exp + 2years cyber exp? heard some people got offered 5k for E6 grading with 3-4 years exp.

2) Considering to apply for ST info sec side, wondering how i should apply for interviews as i'm currently working in ST also, tell the interviewers that i'm interested in cyber side and want to change job scope/role? and would it be awkward to tell my boss/tender after i get offer?

3) also considering to go outside of ST, i know the salary is higher outside but ST gives good job stability and decent annual increment. Not sure what to do.

might leave my current software role in like 1year or less, any advice?

are you sure? some of my colleagues only earned $30 increment. others have worked for 7 years, only on his 6th year then he manage to earn more than $100 increment.

ST is stable. but the pay and increment generally lose out compared to outside market.

btw this is for software engineer. other roles might be different

If the job is zoh boh and can moonlight then still ok.

If that 3k/4k+ is your only source of income then you will need to work till the cows come home to repay any future housing and car loans.

I am the original poster. my job is quite slack most of the time. My direct reporting boss have over 10+ people under him and i doubt he would even have the time check on everyone under him all the time. I am sometimes attached to certain projects but mostly manage my time and not work too hard(e.g at decent pace)

I have heard of people working at ST for like 2-3 years at E5 grading then leave to other jobs for another 2 years+ and come back to ST and get offered E6 with almost 5k salary under new scheme. Wondering if i should do that since it would be better than the measly $50 or $100 yearly increment. ST also gives good stability.

the new scheme is con only. Take AWS divide by 12 and add on so it look higher salary but no difference. I am glad i left STE. Not that the bonus wasn;t good but the bosses are fcking crap. I was a A grader before i resign and bonus was freaking good but taking into account how i work 24/7 to achieve that grade and then i realisse it is not worth it. Then look at some of my colleagues who has kid and are treated differently, tasked with small easy project, i feel this company mistreatment across the board is hugely greater than other companies.

depend on the BU. i was outsourced employee when just joined and getting 7percent increment for 2 years before been converted to ST perm.

Any poly Graduate with 4-5year working experience working in ST? how about the salary?

How long is the job application process? Because I have waited almost a month and haven't gotten any updates

I have a Friend who claims that he is a project manager in STE and he is drawing $6.5k a month, can anyone verify that?

About there. Should be M1 or at most is M2 grade.
Gross should be higher with the Performance bonus and Profit Sharing Scheme
$6.5k should include the AWS inside already

STE has nice building, office also not bad. Stability is there but sucks if you want to cheong your career.