ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Agree. Yes their culture is similar to ST. But ST got too many mindef people with no skillset leh. They parachute all these ex mindef people who have no tech experience and skillset. Do they even know how to setup a instance? Or actually tech experience ?

I think it's ok lei. Steve jobs also not technical but he made apple the most valuable company in the world lei

Nowadays who is considered "technical"? There's so much abstractions in the way we code. All of us are just putting code or framework together nia.

If you know how to setup instance are you considered technical compared to the aws DevOps engineer who coded ec2? No mah. Compared to the aws DevOps engineer you are considered non technical. He can also say the same things about you that you said about the mindef people. It's all relative so don't be so bitter lah

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's ok lei. Steve jobs also not technical but he made apple the most valuable company in the world lei

Nowadays who is considered "technical"? There's so much abstractions in the way we code. All of us are just putting code or framework together nia.

If you know how to setup instance are you considered technical compared to the aws DevOps engineer who coded ec2? No mah. Compared to the aws DevOps engineer you are considered non technical. He can also say the same things about you that you said about the mindef people. It's all relative so don't be so bitter lah

Ex-Project manager here, you are missing the point. Is not about being bitter. It is about having the professional skillset and job match.

If you have all these ex-mindef people here, what do they really know about the project requirements or high-level architecture? Or the product Veritas, backup solutions, or Fortinet products or other products to integrate into the project?

Can they go and present to customer how to gel and integrate the solutions across the architecture or how the solutioning integrates across one software to another ? or how the hardware and software gel together? They can go config or not?

Y you say this is not important? The biggest problem is you have all these ex-mindef colonel, 2 star, 3 star all come in with no technical experience and they don't bother to go and learn about the infra and the solution architecture. Then they go and meet high level cust and promise high high can deliver on project requirement.

U know who will suffer at the backend or not? PM, Engineers, maintenance and deployment, etc etc team will all suffer because of the promises all these so called no-horse run mindef people promise.

When they know next to nothing about the real challenges of the project and anyhow agree and promise without consulting their tech leads, pms and engineering teams.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's ok lei. Steve jobs also not technical but he made apple the most valuable company in the world lei

Nowadays who is considered "technical"? There's so much abstractions in the way we code. All of us are just putting code or framework together nia.

If you know how to setup instance are you considered technical compared to the aws DevOps engineer who coded ec2? No mah. Compared to the aws DevOps engineer you are considered non technical. He can also say the same things about you that you said about the mindef people. It's all relative so don't be so bitter lah

You know who will kena right when the project goes sideways? All backend people will suffer.

You think the department managers, GMs will stand behind you when you cannot deliver or the SAT, CAT or OSAT encounter problems in the beginning due to whatever donkey reason software or hardware incompatibility?

When they are the one who agree with the Sales team and yaya papaya everything can deliver one and tell customer, everything can do.

Surprising to hear that alot of people complaining that mindef people promise sky high requirements to customers in place for their engineers. I’ll be surprised if any of them even read the tender specs or the contract in the first place. Most of the conversations I hear are ex-mindef project managers chit chatting about their newly found civilian lives in ST to their mindef customers. That’s how they get “returning” customers.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I might have to re-apply to ST since I got retrenched from my current job (left ST a few years back to join this company). Iirc former employees only get contracts right? No conversion?

Don't crawl back eh, this makes yourself look very bad.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Don't crawl back eh, this makes yourself look very bad.

It’s ok to crawl back. If shitty ppl talk behind my back I am ok. My salary still credited

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Don't crawl back eh, this makes yourself look very bad.

LOL, my career is already a joke. As long as I am paid, got WLB, I dun really care. Plus I am in my 40s, can't chiong anymore, outside see my resume straight reject.

Any news regarding bonus?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

LOL, my career is already a joke. As long as I am paid, got WLB, I dun really care. Plus I am in my 40s, can't chiong anymore, outside see my resume straight reject.

you heng, ST no retrenchment.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

you heng, ST no retrenchment.

Must thank our bosses who got the sales from customer so we all got job to do and salary to take and no retrenchment some more.

Imagine if the bosses never help get the sales, ST long time ago gone case already

Don't complain so much, do your job