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Unregistered 02-03-2021 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157348)
One time, my boss tried to justify why xxx got promoted instead of yyy
But we all know xxx is boss pet.

So yyy confronted boss and ask why xxx is promoted when yyy is the lead and project lead for the project.

Boss say xxx have more EQ aka can talk more, bluff customer, etc. Which M1 need to have that ******** politics skill.

Boss say yyy very technical and can't ******** with customer will end up taking up alot of risk...

So yyy quit.

And told us what the boss told him.

So the team naturally just let xxx handle the project failure.
And since xxx is not the technical, only know how to talk...

End up the project alot of issue. We all know yyy did all the technical work...
But since he quit... Xxx can't handle.

So they hire a new E5.
The new E5 also quit within 1 year.

Long story short.
When your promotion only reward non tech person and only people who like to ********.
Your team will end up with alot of ******** people with zero skills.
Such a familiar story. I had seen this scenario play out over and over.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157379)
Then you pray management see you worthy and give you a bonus to retain you lo.
Bonus? Give extension must thank your lucky stars liao

Unregistered 02-03-2021 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157440)
Bonus? Give extension must thank your lucky stars liao
My side. Got like 5 their contract didn't get renewed since Jan...

More counting. April 1 more also heard not renewed.
A few expiring end of the year hoping will renew.

But seems very unlikely unless got new project come in.
Cause heard new management want to reduce headcount for kpi and the revenue purpose so they can answer to the top.

Alot of my colleagues now all play act blur nobody want to take on the extra work.
But also don't want to argue cause want to keep the job.

Situation is dire. Is it like this outside?

Unregistered 02-03-2021 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157459)
My side. Got like 5 their contract didn't get renewed since Jan...

More counting. April 1 more also heard not renewed.
A few expiring end of the year hoping will renew.

But seems very unlikely unless got new project come in.
Cause heard new management want to reduce headcount for kpi and the revenue purpose so they can answer to the top.

Alot of my colleagues now all play act blur nobody want to take on the extra work.
But also don't want to argue cause want to keep the job.

Situation is dire. Is it like this outside?
U can try and apply outside job and see for yourself lor. If you have family then don't risk your rice bowl since ST is a place to work till retirement.

If you have the skills, u can survive well anywhere. See the glassdoor review also. Good for starters only....

Unregistered 02-03-2021 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157459)
My side. Got like 5 their contract didn't get renewed since Jan...

More counting. April 1 more also heard not renewed.
A few expiring end of the year hoping will renew.

But seems very unlikely unless got new project come in.
Cause heard new management want to reduce headcount for kpi and the revenue purpose so they can answer to the top.

Alot of my colleagues now all play act blur nobody want to take on the extra work.
But also don't want to argue cause want to keep the job.

Situation is dire. Is it like this outside?
Contract as outsource or ST contract staff?

Especially if outsource, you can start trying to look around. Compared to perm staff, the outsourced staff benefits lose out a lot, especially in terms of leave, increment and bonuses.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157471)
Contract as outsource or ST contract staff?

Especially if outsource, you can start trying to look around. Compared to perm staff, the outsourced staff benefits lose out a lot, especially in terms of leave, increment and bonuses.
But I already work here 4 years they should have convert me to perm!
Like this every few years I just keep changing job.... No job stability

Unregistered 02-03-2021 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157473)
But I already work here 4 years they should have convert me to perm!
Like this every few years I just keep changing job.... No job stability
Conversion to perm is not a guarantee. Many people learned the hard way. Imagine your appraisal is lumped together with perm staff. Consideration confirm is go perm staff first. Then your performance must be very good consistently which is difficult unless you are in the inner circle.

If you notice, the turnover rates for contract staff is way, way higher than perm staff.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157475)
Conversion to perm is not a guarantee. Many people learned the hard way. Imagine your appraisal is lumped together with perm staff. Consideration confirm is go perm staff first. Then your performance must be very good consistently which is difficult unless you are in the inner circle.

If you notice, the turnover rates for contract staff is way, way higher than perm staff.
Well who want to be loyal to a company if they are given contract position instead of perm.
Yet when problem arises I see they only ask for outsource staff to solve it.

Don't see no perm staff step up with their skills and promotion to solve the problem.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157473)
But I already work here 4 years they should have convert me to perm!
Like this every few years I just keep changing job.... No job stability
Not sure if your BU or division had this practice. When an engineer is converted to perm or promoted, no one said a word about anything.

My division had such practice, to the point no one knew 3 M2 and M3 were promoted and become KAH.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157479)
Not sure if your BU or division had this practice. When an engineer is converted to perm or promoted, no one said a word about anything.

My division had such practice, to the point no one knew 3 M2 and M3 were promoted and become KAH.
Cause they don't want to take on more responsibility...
Everyone just want promotion and higher pay with it.

But with it want to do less work.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157480)
Cause they don't want to take on more responsibility...
Everyone just want promotion and higher pay with it.

But with it want to do less work.
My boss last time title is senior principal engineer.
Now he is VP. He lied to us say its job rotation.
He denied he got promoted... Cause when we tease him that he should treat us lunch cause we work so hard under his guidance that he got promoted to lead another division now...

He say covid-19 cannot gather.. And he denied promotion...

This kind of boss...
Anyway not under him liao. Now under a youngster.
Very ambitious this one. Pushing for updates. Meeting etc.

This young one already pissinf people off.
Funny thing is no engineers got promoted le.
Only those management... Weird right.

And oh the young one was previously principal engineer now AVP.

All kind of stories la. They all are promoted.
Engineers Foever just E6 lol.

Unregistered 02-03-2021 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157482)
My boss last time title is senior principal engineer.
Now he is VP. He lied to us say its job rotation.
He denied he got promoted... Cause when we tease him that he should treat us lunch cause we work so hard under his guidance that he got promoted to lead another division now...

He say covid-19 cannot gather.. And he denied promotion...

This kind of boss...
Anyway not under him liao. Now under a youngster.
Very ambitious this one. Pushing for updates. Meeting etc.

This young one already pissinf people off.
Funny thing is no engineers got promoted le.
Only those management... Weird right.

And oh the young one was previously principal engineer now AVP.

All kind of stories la. They all are promoted.
Engineers Foever just E6 lol.
Lol that's very true. 50 engineers only 2 or 3 promote or convert. But those at the top promote and rotate every few years.

Unregistered 03-03-2021 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157529)
Lol that's very true. 50 engineers only 2 or 3 promote or convert. But those at the top promote and rotate every few years.
Why is that though

Unregistered 03-03-2021 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157556)
Why is that though
No idea, either the bosses have no idea what people are doing, not satisfied with performance / profit or simply want to keep cost down. Many possible reasons which is not known to anyone but the management.

Unregistered 03-03-2021 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157556)
Why is that though
Water is wet. Move on.
Don't have to listen your managers.
Do whatever you want.
Come later than them also can.
Go home earlker also can.
Just don't get caught.

Unregistered 03-03-2021 03:25 PM
How sia? Got bonus not? March already

Unregistered 03-03-2021 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157599)
How sia? Got bonus not? March already
golden handshakes more likely than bonus lah

Unregistered 04-03-2021 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157599)
How sia? Got bonus not? March already
got bonus for management...E6 and below all jiak sai

Unregistered 04-03-2021 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157482)
My boss last time title is senior principal engineer.
Now he is VP. He lied to us say its job rotation.
He denied he got promoted... Cause when we tease him that he should treat us lunch cause we work so hard under his guidance that he got promoted to lead another division now...

He say covid-19 cannot gather.. And he denied promotion...

This kind of boss...
Anyway not under him liao. Now under a youngster.
Very ambitious this one. Pushing for updates. Meeting etc.

This young one already pissinf people off.
Funny thing is no engineers got promoted le.
Only those management... Weird right.

And oh the young one was previously principal engineer now AVP.

All kind of stories la. They all are promoted.
Engineers Foever just E6 lol.
those who got a lot of drive come ST will become no drive and degrade until retirement mode....this company does not value engineers at all..advise you to move out if u want to chiong your career and come back for retirement if u can tahan the toxic culture

Unregistered 04-03-2021 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157664)
got bonus for management...E6 and below all jiak sai
confirmed? cause management got pay cut during covid-19? so now they get bonus to make up the difference and engineers end u pwith nothing ah?

Unregistered 04-03-2021 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157670)
confirmed? cause management got pay cut during covid-19? so now they get bonus to make up the difference and engineers end u pwith nothing ah?
if have bonus i will take bonus then throw letter liao!

Unregistered 04-03-2021 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157689)
if have bonus i will take bonus then throw letter liao!
You found new job liao?
Now economy recovered liao mah?

Still getting mixed feeling.
Seems to be better than mid 2020 but also feels like if you get a new job now might be lower pay offered..

My side got 5 people quit liao since 2021 but all contract not expired. They never share they got a new job.
Most use the same excuse. Taking a break first before finding next job...

I cannot afford to be jobless ah. Got wife and kids and old parents to feed.

Unregistered 04-03-2021 01:24 PM
this month bonus payout ?

Unregistered 04-03-2021 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157694)
this month bonus payout ?
When is bonus payout?

I'm not perm staff. My division alot of outsource, our bonus all come different time. Some early some kid some end of the year. Depending on when they join...

So perm staff bonus is March ah?
Aiyo why quit when you already perm.

Iron rice bowl le

Unregistered 04-03-2021 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157695)
When is bonus payout?

I'm not perm staff. My division alot of outsource, our bonus all come different time. Some early some kid some end of the year. Depending on when they join...

So perm staff bonus is March ah?
Aiyo why quit when you already perm.

Iron rice bowl le
Agreed we contract have to do something or else contract not renewed.
Perm staff liao do or don't do will only end up with more promotion.

Even if you don't exceed expectations, you still be promoted based on length...

But its also good that perm staff quit la. Then outsource can be converted...

Good good.

Unregistered 04-03-2021 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157695)
When is bonus payout?

I'm not perm staff. My division alot of outsource, our bonus all come different time. Some early some kid some end of the year. Depending on when they join...

So perm staff bonus is March ah?
Aiyo why quit when you already perm.

Iron rice bowl le
Really is iron rice bowl? We already seen what happened last year during September/October, still want to assure that ST is a iron rice bowl, like before?

Unregistered 04-03-2021 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157701)
Really is iron rice bowl? We already seen what happened last year during September/October, still want to assure that ST is a iron rice bowl, like before?
Boss always say. September/October is called early release. Release with golden rice bowl

Unregistered 04-03-2021 11:44 PM
if really have bonus and payout on 19 Mar and I throw notice at 21 Mar...will i get to keep my bonus?

Unregistered 05-03-2021 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157761)
if really have bonus and payout on 19 Mar and I throw notice at 21 Mar...will i get to keep my bonus?
What's the rule last year?

Unregistered 05-03-2021 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157761)
if really have bonus and payout on 19 Mar and I throw notice at 21 Mar...will i get to keep my bonus?
I think payout is april. You may need to stay beyond April or may if not bonus have to return

Unregistered 05-03-2021 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157768)
I think payout is april. You may need to stay beyond April or may if not bonus have to return
So if tmr or next week announce no bonus, the poster before can directly throw letter liao?

Unregistered 05-03-2021 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157769)
So if tmr or next week announce no bonus, the poster before can directly throw letter liao?
Or she can start finding new job and quit once she secures another job

Unregistered 05-03-2021 07:17 AM
based on the policy should be you have to be in employment service and not in the notice of termination on the bonus payout date....so technically, take bonus liao then tender after the bonus payout date is ok....correct me if i am wrong or my understanding of the statement is wrong.

Unregistered 05-03-2021 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157779)
based on the policy should be you have to be in employment service and not in the notice of termination on the bonus payout date....so technically, take bonus liao then tender after the bonus payout date is ok....correct me if i am wrong or my understanding of the statement is wrong.
I thought perm staff is 2 months notice and you quit after bonus must return the bonus. No ah?
I heard this story before...

Unregistered 05-03-2021 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157780)
I thought perm staff is 2 months notice and you quit after bonus must return the bonus. No ah?
I heard this story before...
I also heard perm staff get paid first like 3rd week of every month?
Outsource only get paid last day of the month...

Cause sometimes jobline deposit early 1 or 2 days instead of the last day. I very happy say got money to eat lunch liao...

My perm staff colleague told me they got their salary last week liao...

Unregistered 05-03-2021 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157781)
I also heard perm staff get paid first like 3rd week of every month?
Outsource only get paid last day of the month...

Cause sometimes jobline deposit early 1 or 2 days instead of the last day. I very happy say got money to eat lunch liao...

My perm staff colleague told me they got their salary last week liao...
One of their outsource agency I feel had no email etiquette and too many rules and regulations to follow, anything also blames the staff.

Unregistered 05-03-2021 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157782)
One of their outsource agency I feel had no email etiquette and too many rules and regulations to follow, anything also blames the staff.
Which other agency they use?
I also found out hor... That apparently if they want to convert you to perm... They have to pay the jobline some fee....

No wonder they so reluctant to convert people to perm la. Cost money.
Such a big company no idea why they don't have HR to shortlist and find candidate...

Outsource is like lazy to find people...

Unregistered 05-03-2021 02:56 PM
Huat ah.
No bonus

Unregistered 05-03-2021 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157823)
Huat ah.
No bonus
only management huat ar!

Unregistered 05-03-2021 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 157823)
Huat ah.
No bonus

Confirm no bonus liao?


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