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you will be getting approx 4.5k-4.8k after 7 years of annual increment + 2 promotions. I know it sux, but this is reality |
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Working in ST Engineering or ST Electronics, is it fast paced n high stress?
Do they demand immediate answers or solutions on the same day within hours? |
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HR asked me what my expected salary. Asked for $5,000. She was stunned, then asked if I could go lower. Asked for $4,800. She said still too high. Asked for $4,500. She still asked if I could go lower. I told her this is the lowest I could go. Just went through the interview nonetheless but know she couldn't match my lowest expectation. No salary discussion but more of the project work. Looks like a lowballer expecting to pay SME salary. Couldn't even offer close to my expected salary still call me down for interview and waste my time, expecting me to give 20% discount and take pay cut? Felt totally insulted that day. After I left thinking it would leave me alone, HR still had the cheek to call me on the phone asking if I would consider coming back for another interview with another manager/department. :mad: DSTA engineers 6 years experience I think can reach $6,000. |
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I interact with some of the STE people before and I will never hire them even for 3k no matter how much exp they boast of. |
Think it is paying below 50 percentile market rate. Still proudly promise "an attractive remuneration package" for successful candidates in some of its job ads. :D
Unbelievable. |
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No doubt DSTA engineers are probably better, but not to the extent of heaven and earth. STE never learn the skills and tricks of DSTA engineers meh, after working with them day in day out over so many years. |
dsta is only Mid tier. DSO is higher.
Logically speaking ST should pick up some skills from Dsta. But dsta only got project management skills. Np hard technical experience. It's an intellectual thing. Both also no real skills, but dsta ppl are smarter. Or you can also say ST people are stupid. 4.7k after 7 years is a dream. 4k more likely. |
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It is not that joining STE makes someone dumb, its the culture there just causes smart people to leave after a few months and the lousy whiners no choice stay there with badass demotivation. Vicious cycle. No youngster who has a shred of dignity, professionalism and marketability for better pay will stay there long. My personal observation in terms of engineering is DSO tends to get good (but not top) like 75 percentile talents, DSTA average to good 50-75 percentile, SME tend to get 25-50 percentile. STE/NCS good buddies always picking up the bottom below 25 percentile calibre people. |
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DSO: 1st class honours / 2nd upper local uni DSTA: 2nd upper / 2nd lower local uni STE: 3rd class / pass local uni or unisim Sounds about right. :D |
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Analyst/Jr Mgt - High turnover, good ones leave lousy ones stay Mid Mgt - Mostly 40-50 yo uncles, low performance, behind times and got there by length of service or retirement charity job for WOSE or jr officers Snr Mgt - Parachute from SAF senior officers, other GLC / stat board scholars This sort of culture is a turn off for good performers no matter which dept you join. |
I see some STE job ads looking for experienced candidates: 3 year experience about 3k to 4k max.
5 years experience can reach 4.5k? |
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Any STE engineer can confirm? |
we already tell you no future liao, you still die die dun believe.
You join with a starting pay of 3k. Every year, your increment is 3%. You get promoted at about the 5th year mark, which increases your pay by another 3% - so that year you get 6% increment. Please calculate yourself how much you get at the 5th year mark. For your second promotion = wait long long. Maybe in 8 years. Aerospace is slightly better than the rest. That is because they OT a lot and they do get some type of OT pay. Kinetics are known for being particularly bad. But then at ST level, "who better than who" is ready stupid comparison. Is like you get 41 marks then hao lian to the other guy who got 37 marks. Both are idiots. |
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Not that this pathetic amount makes any difference, but just want to be accurate. Most of the oldies manager there are only getting 5k+, young punks with a few years exp most likely will get offered 3.5k. |
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DSO: 1st class honours / 2nd upper local uni DSTA: 2nd upper / 2nd lower local uni STE: 3rd class / pass local uni or unisim Sounds about right. :D[/QUOTE im from NTU and so far i still haven't heard of anyone got in DSTA with second lower. I know dsta hire 2nd lower but it quite rare and those who got hired have working experience. Same goes to DSO, i do know people got in with second lower. DSO and DSTA is around the same level i think. |
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DSO/DSTA: 1st class honours / 2nd upper/2nd lower local uni STE: 3rd class / pass local uni or unisim DSTA has quite a number of first class and scholars. Stupid damn f**K. from ex-dsta |
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the only diff is ncs is smarter in their recruitment marketing. they like to pay peanuts & demand long hours and dangle the carrot u can join singtel in the future if ur good. it mainly bs as there is almost no way to rise from ncs to singtel unless somebody at singtel really like u. |
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DSTA people regardless of class of honors are generally above average, but in terms of actual work they tend to be more narrow in their competency. DSTA engineers are good people who get the job done, but not the type that can break new frontiers or demonstrate superior project management skills or exhibit strong leadership traits. The only reason why they pay higher for FCH is this outdated gov mentality of adding a few hundred dollars to starting pay for every additional level of honors you get. Just my personal opinion after interacting with quite a number of them. |
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Yup you guessed it! Good uni (local Us, oxbridge, ivy league) with 2nd upper/FCH. |
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If given a choice, join NCS better? For better salary and progression? Looks like STE is condemned to the bottom.
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the best engine grads either take scholarship overseas for further studies or join those structured programs in mncs anyway. |
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50-75 people? More like you fail to make the cut and come here to sour grapes put down DSTA. |
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