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Unregistered 20-04-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 165985)
In a way this caused shortage of manpower for us. Management wanted degree holders but unwilling to pay. We then suggest getting experienced diploma holders. They refused. We just need engineers, not rocket scientists. Now the team running extremely thin on manpower for so many projects.

How else to pay millions and high pay to CEO and all those senior management...
The fact that covid-19 they can take 20% pay cut means they are already overpaid for doing nothing lo.

The best way is don't care la.
You come to work on time do the work then go home.

Can't meet schedule is the project manager taichi.
No manpower. Then you still volunteer to do more?
Don't be stupid la.

Cut the manager 10k pay to hire 2 fresh grad better.
This workplace is really a retirement village

Unregistered 20-04-2021 10:41 AM

This is a very interesting thread. I conducted some very interesting interviews before pertaining to the attitude about degrees and recall what some young candidates used to say.

Some young degree holder believe that his degree is the first reason why we should hire him for a senior engineer position.

Another guy left his last job without a job just because his company promoted another guy without a degree rather than him. I think I could see why.

Another youngster said he sees himself a manager in 5 years time because with a degree, that is how his career will be charted without any mention of contributions as though the promotion will come automatically.

Unregistered 20-04-2021 01:55 PM

pls lah.. degree is like toilet paper nowadays

everyone has one

dun be stupiak can or not

Unregistered 20-04-2021 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 166001)
pls lah.. degree is like toilet paper nowadays

everyone has one

dun be stupiak can or not

Why so salty.
Tell your boss you want to quit to go study NUS comp science.
After 4 years you come out then ask for starting pay 5.8k based on current projection is around there.

It's much better than you whine and rant that you no degree and stuck at 3k plus pay

Unregistered 20-04-2021 04:03 PM

Hi people,

Will there usually be any Increment if an outsource contract staff convert to Perm?
Considering there is no promotion. Just Contract to Perm conversion.

Unregistered 20-04-2021 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 166003)
Why so salty.
Tell your boss you want to quit to go study NUS comp science.
After 4 years you come out then ask for starting pay 5.8k based on current projection is around there.

It's much better than you whine and rant that you no degree and stuck at 3k plus pay

In MNC, we pay our non degree holder better than that, a senior engineer gets at least 5K regardless if he has a degree or not. We pay if he proves he can. We promote base on performance, not if you have a degree or not.
I can relate to some of the posts here. I still remember that hilarious interview I had with a ST staff a few years back. Don't know what DOE is, cannot even explain how to use a DFMEA or DMAIC. No knowledge about product development roadmap, almost zero knowledge of the products the role needs to design on. He has this very weird idea that promotions and incentives are tied to his paper qualifications. I don't know why did the agency even sent him to us. Then we asked him why we should hire him. And some of you might have guessed, "Because I have a degree".
My other colleague told him that it is not the degree, it is your competence.

Unregistered 20-04-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 166015)
Hi people,

Will there usually be any Increment if an outsource contract staff convert to Perm?
Considering there is no promotion. Just Contract to Perm conversion.

So far haven't seen this happen. All conversions I've seen come with a promotion.

Unregistered 21-04-2021 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 166019)
So far haven't seen this happen. All conversions I've seen come with a promotion.

Wa so good de ah

Unregistered 21-04-2021 11:52 AM

Your value determine your pay.

You don't need degree or education.
Hell you don't even need to be a programmer.

Like that 19 yo CEO of of 25 million tech company.
He just found the company with his friends. Then hire people to do it....

Then got investor. People value the company.
So his value detemiens how much he can pay himself.

The software developer who build the product degree or not.
If he can create value and that value can earn company millions...

Ofc he's higher pay lo.

Degree is just a statement that you have managed to go thru a system of 4 years and pass thru it.
Ppl without degree is also just a statement that they didn't go thru the process..

So? Get a degree...

And whether you have degree or not.
Doesn't mean you have value.

Cause if all the first class honours will have the guts and balls to create something to sell.
They all will be rich.

Singapore is starting this culture now.
In the pass. Blame the government for making us into workforce slave

Now as more and more ppl become successful with their startup.
People will aim to be founder and own their company.

Why settle for 10k per month salary when you can potentially earn 1 million per month

Unregistered 21-04-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 166075)
Your value determine your pay.

You don't need degree or education.
Hell you don't even need to be a programmer.

Like that 19 yo CEO of of 25 million tech company.
He just found the company with his friends. Then hire people to do it....

Then got investor. People value the company.
So his value detemiens how much he can pay himself.

The software developer who build the product degree or not.
If he can create value and that value can earn company millions...

Ofc he's higher pay lo.

Degree is just a statement that you have managed to go thru a system of 4 years and pass thru it.
Ppl without degree is also just a statement that they didn't go thru the process..

So? Get a degree...

And whether you have degree or not.
Doesn't mean you have value.

Cause if all the first class honours will have the guts and balls to create something to sell.
They all will be rich.

Singapore is starting this culture now.
In the pass. Blame the government for making us into workforce slave

Now as more and more ppl become successful with their startup.
People will aim to be founder and own their company.

Why settle for 10k per month salary when you can potentially earn 1 million per month

So, how much you earning per month now?


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