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Unregistered 09-04-2021 05:21 PM

M2 salary 9k possible?

Unregistered 09-04-2021 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 164911)
M2 salary 9k possible?

Fresh grad already 5k.
You think le

Unregistered 09-04-2021 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chua (Post 164671)
Does ST put a lot of emphasis on paper qualifications? A headhunting agency called me up for a job 2 weeks ago about an assistant engineer/senior tech position. I hope I did the right thing by listening to my friend to decline the agency. I am already engineer 2 in a MNC.

My friend told me that he responded to an agency's invitation and went for an interview in ST about 4 years ago. He is about 10 years older than me and I know he has more than 10 years of experience currently managing projects in many parts of the world. He was promoted to a program manager in another american MNC like last year during COVID and he is certified PMP but he only has a diploma. But he was only offered a position of an assistant engineer and the interviewer even got confused because he could not get over the part of a diploma holder being a project manager. But he did say that the interviewer was respectful though.

Currently how much is your PMP diploma friend paid in the MNC?
To ST, someone with diploma will be offered a base position of an assistant engineer, with a pay grade E4. E4 max pay scale in current scheme is around $4200 max.

Note that fresh degree grad ZERO exp start at E5, maybe 4k.

Unregistered 09-04-2021 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 164834)
for what

titles are nothing with the equivalent payscales

totally

My side have Operations Manager who overseas many shop managers.
But some shop manager are M3 and reporting to Operations Manager who is E6 only?

I dun understand????Really dun understand.

Unregistered 09-04-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 164913)
Fresh grad already 5k.
You think le

mai talk rubbish here lah troll

Unregistered 10-04-2021 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 164958)
mai talk rubbish here lah troll

you go read newspaper even they report in 2020 IT already offering 5k

Unregistered 10-04-2021 12:44 AM

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Chua 10-04-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 164945)
Currently how much is your PMP diploma friend paid in the MNC?
To ST, someone with diploma will be offered a base position of an assistant engineer, with a pay grade E4. E4 max pay scale in current scheme is around $4200 max.

Note that fresh degree grad ZERO exp start at E5, maybe 4k.

I don't know how much he makes but he seems very comfortable with a mid level continental car and private property with a family of 4. He used to travel frequently in the past before the covid. But he did mention about the challenges he faced at work before and he offers very globalized viewpoints. Completely unlike the diploma holders you see in ST.

I have already gotten over the ST interview and I'm glad I was able to focus on what matters. I won't survive in ST with a MNC culture, mindset and critical thinking. I just feel ST breeds an unhealthy obsession of paper qualification defined systematic limitation towards talent usage. It creates a self entitled mindset that they deserve the next promotion because they have a degree and not because they have created value. You make someone believe they can do more or less just by getting a piece of paper losing focus on the part that truly matters : delivering results and the process of getting there.

You study hard so that it can equip you with the knowledge to deliver. You don't study hard so that you can become part of a system that defines your worth on the paper you have. Your value is defined by the results you bring and the process you execute to meet that result. I learnt something from our conversations. Thank you for asking.

Unregistered 11-04-2021 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chua (Post 164989)
I don't know how much he makes but he seems very comfortable with a mid level continental car and private property with a family of 4. He used to travel frequently in the past before the covid. But he did mention about the challenges he faced at work before and he offers very globalized viewpoints. Completely unlike the diploma holders you see in ST.

I have already gotten over the ST interview and I'm glad I was able to focus on what matters. I won't survive in ST with a MNC culture, mindset and critical thinking. I just feel ST breeds an unhealthy obsession of paper qualification defined systematic limitation towards talent usage. It creates a self entitled mindset that they deserve the next promotion because they have a degree and not because they have created value. You make someone believe they can do more or less just by getting a piece of paper losing focus on the part that truly matters : delivering results and the process of getting there.

You study hard so that it can equip you with the knowledge to deliver. You don't study hard so that you can become part of a system that defines your worth on the paper you have. Your value is defined by the results you bring and the process you execute to meet that result. I learnt something from our conversations. Thank you for asking.

Trust me, out of 10 first class honours fresh grad, if got 2 or more with actual competence or the right attitude to learn is very lucky already. Many first class honour grad join ST with the mindset already shaped to just managing people and projects.

I wonder if those are the job scope set during interviews or offered in contracts.

Unregistered 12-04-2021 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 165104)
Trust me, out of 10 first class honours fresh grad, if got 2 or more with actual competence or the right attitude to learn is very lucky already. Many first class honour grad join ST with the mindset already shaped to just managing people and projects.

I wonder if those are the job scope set during interviews or offered in contracts.

Just curious, can a fresh grad be a project manager in ST?


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