MAS for Mid Career Professionals

Originally Posted by Unregistered

if you are in dd4, u mist be holding some portfolio ready to be director in 1-2 yrs.

This is quite useful thanks , and I know they don't give raise on the base and compensate on the bonus and other perks , if my base already 190 should I expect a cut for DD4 level ? what is the expected Bonus ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Giving an overview of what it is like in terms of tenure or salary range.
This is just an estimated from various sources , you may classified that as not verified or provide your inputs too.
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Grade 13 - Associate Rank (This is undergrad rank, typically for people whom are 1-3 years experience)
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Grade 12 - Assistant Director 1 (There are 2 "AD" rank, this is for people whom have around 3 years experience to 7 years experience really depending on your performance and opportunity)

Grade 11 - Assistant Director 2 (This is the Senior Assistant Director rank, but on the outside its just AD, this is for people whom have 5years of experience onwards. No really an upper bound as some people might be stuck here for some years, some back office staff can stuck this rank till 10-15 years is normal, they just get few percent increment each year.

Grade 10 - Deputy Director 1 (There are total 4 levels of Deputy Director, the fastest I seen is 6years+ , those are for scholars or special people. For faster farmers they take about 8 years, 9 years and 10 years are common for faster farmer too.).

For Grade 9, 8, 7 , those are Deputy Director increment in grades. Most people stucked at DD level 2, you need some years to farm to DD3 and DD4, aka Senior Deputy Director (Internal), but on corporate rank it only shows DD.

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Salary package wise, just an estimate. For Bonus, expect only 1 bonus a year (Performance Bonus that is ranging from 1.5 to 2.5 most of the time).

Associate - Basic 4k to 6k (For TO aka graduate officers, they draw about 5k starting)
AD 1 - Basic 5k to 6.5k
AD 2 - Basic 6k to 10k
DD 1 - Basic 9k to 12k
DD 2 - Basic 10k to 14k
DD 3 - Basic 12k to 16k
DD 4 - Basic 14k to 18k
Director 1 - Basic 16k to 20k

Hope this gives everyone a good overview to consider joining.
Pay is not fantastic, but slowly things are changing to be better.

thks this is helpful, but for DD1, with the fold in , most people draw from 10k onwards... Otherwise the other info is about there +- 5%

[justafarmer]

Can any existing MAS staff or ex staff share what on average how long it takes to promote from DD1 to DD2?

Originally Posted by justafarmer

Can any existing MAS staff or ex staff share what on average how long it takes to promote from DD1 to DD2?

The higher up one rises, the less accurate this "average" is. For example, at junior grades, promotion generally happens every 2 to 4 years since these promotions are not linked to appointments. But at DD2, some people will take forever to reach DD3 since higher DD levels are for division head appointments that are limited by vacancies and hence only for the identified ones. This indirectly affects promotion to lower grades too since of course can't have everyone stuck at DD2.

So, the answer is: It depends on your CEP and if you are identified for the leadership track, maybe 2 years. If not, maybe 5-10 years. It usually takes longer and longer to get promoted (just like everywhere else), so if you took 5 years to get from AD2 to DD1, don't expect any shorter than that from DD1 to DD2. If you just joined at DD1, your CEP (and promotion rate) will depend on your performance in the first couple of years.

Originally Posted by justafarmer

Can any existing MAS staff or ex staff share what on average how long it takes to promote from DD1 to DD2?

The higher up one rises, the less accurate this "average" is. For example, at junior grades, promotion generally happens every 2 to 4 years since these promotions are not linked to appointments. But at DD2, some people will take forever to reach DD3 since higher DD levels are for division head appointments that are limited by vacancies and hence only for the identified ones. This indirectly affects promotion to lower grades too since of course can't have everyone stuck at DD2.

So, the answer is: It depends on your CEP and if you are identified for the leadership track, maybe 2 years. If not, maybe 5-10 years. It usually takes longer and longer to get promoted (just like everywhere else), so if you took 5 years to get from AD2 to DD1, don't expect any shorter than that from DD1 to DD2. If you just joined at DD1, your CEP (and promotion rate) will depend on your performance in the first couple of years.

I see that the gross pay includes a 18% MVC

Are there any past instances where MVC is reduced?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I see that the gross pay includes a 18% MVC

Are there any past instances where MVC is reduced?

never say never.

[justafarmer]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The higher up one rises, the less accurate this "average" is. For example, at junior grades, promotion generally happens every 2 to 4 years since these promotions are not linked to appointments. But at DD2, some people will take forever to reach DD3 since higher DD levels are for division head appointments that are limited by vacancies and hence only for the identified ones. This indirectly affects promotion to lower grades too since of course can't have everyone stuck at DD2.

So, the answer is: It depends on your CEP and if you are identified for the leadership track, maybe 2 years. If not, maybe 5-10 years. It usually takes longer and longer to get promoted (just like everywhere else), so if you took 5 years to get from AD2 to DD1, don't expect any shorter than that from DD1 to DD2. If you just joined at DD1, your CEP (and promotion rate) will depend on your performance in the first couple of years.

Thsnk you for the comprehensive reply and agree totally. Just to check is DD2 a appointment holder grade? I know DD3 surely is one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I see that the gross pay includes a 18% MVC

Are there any past instances where MVC is reduced?

The last big thing to hit was the Wuhan virus pandemic global lockdown and there was no reduction then.

There were salary freezes and reduced bonuses though, and it is possible the higher management had cuts in line with the rest of public service.

Will working in INT have good future career prospects? Currently looking at the job postings and trying to decide between CMI II, BD and INT.