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Unregistered 16-03-2013 12:17 PM

Anyone knows about the career progression in dsta? Yes starting pay is good, but my friend who is doing internship there says the people there are mostly early thirties and twenties. Really have no idea where most people beyond age 35 goes to.

Do they move on to private? Or do they go into other ministries or stat board to do managerial role? Or is there an existence of something ultra classifed where experienced researcher and engineers from dsta head to?

Also wondering, are there more engineers in DSTA or more scientist? If i'm doing physics in local uni, can i go DSTA/DSO ?

Unregistered 24-03-2013 03:21 PM

I got 4-5 year exp in the aerospace industry with NS with 2nd lower NTU EEE

If i were to join DSTA (air system) as engineer/snr engineer, how much should I request in term of basic salary? or how much will they offer?

Unregistered 25-03-2013 08:56 PM

up for more info

jobhunter1234 25-03-2013 09:22 PM

Applied jan until now still no news..dunno is rejected or not processed yet

Unregistered 26-03-2013 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 34094)
the last i heard 1st class with ns is $3880 in 2007-2009, that mean now is $4180 already for fresh grad?

Yes, you are right.

jobhunter1234 26-03-2013 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 34831)
Yes, you are right.

Seems like u are insider. Exec salary lower than engineers? By how much lower?

Unregistered 26-03-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jobhunter1234 (Post 34833)
Seems like u are insider. Exec salary lower than engineers? By how much lower?

let say $x is the basic amt of salary , no "NS" for 1st class "executive position".

thus engineer salary no "NS" = $x + $300

if engineer is with "NS", the salary = $x + $300 + $300

Unregistered 05-04-2013 12:51 PM

anyone knows the average increment for an average performer in DSTA?

Unregistered 08-04-2013 06:16 PM

Average increment is probably 4 - 6% per annum.

Unregistered 08-04-2013 07:59 PM

do they accept third class ntu eee?

Unregistered 13-04-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cslee (Post 34033)
What I heard is DSTA > CSIT > DSO in starting pays. Progression wise not sure.

Can anyone provide details about this? How much are the pay differences? I have an offer from one of these orgs and will likely get an offer from another one soon. I will need to make a decision soon, and I'd appreciate it if anyone can provide more details.

Unregistered 13-04-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35482)
do they accept third class ntu eee?

You can forget about it.

Unregistered 13-04-2013 01:46 PM

at least 2nd lower

Unregistered 26-05-2013 12:37 PM

upzzz for more info.....

does land system engineer position hire mechanical degree holder???? I realize that few years back they did hire mechanical holder, but now they only hire EEE degree holder?!?! mean i can't apply?!?!

Unregistered 26-05-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 37540)
upzzz for more info.....

does land system engineer position hire mechanical degree holder???? I realize that few years back they did hire mechanical holder, but now they only hire EEE degree holder?!?! mean i can't apply?!?!

Yes, they do.
Perhaps simply no requirements for one right now, that's all.

Unregistered 26-05-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35482)
do they accept third class ntu eee?

Unless you are very special in non-academic aspects which the organization somehow thinks are important, no.

Unregistered 26-05-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 34343)
Anyone knows about the career progression in dsta? Yes starting pay is good, but my friend who is doing internship there says the people there are mostly early thirties and twenties. Really have no idea where most people beyond age 35 goes to.

Do they move on to private? Or do they go into other ministries or stat board to do managerial role? Or is there an existence of something ultra classifed where experienced researcher and engineers from dsta head to?

Also wondering, are there more engineers in DSTA or more scientist? If i'm doing physics in local uni, can i go DSTA/DSO ?


DSTA has 2000+ people.
Has your friend met them all?
Not true at all that there are few people beyond 35.

Physics... there are, but rare.

Unregistered 27-05-2013 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 37544)
DSTA has 2000+ people.
Has your friend met them all?
Not true at all that there are few people beyond 35.

Physics... there are, but rare.

There is some truth in it. No doubt there are still many uncles/aunties inside, many left before they reach 35. Most common reason: skills learnt inside are too niche, scare no market value and transferable skills if stay too long.

Unregistered 28-05-2013 03:40 PM

but cant people above 35 years old just stay there all the way until retirement? considering the job stability and the slightly above average pay?

Unregistered 28-05-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 37683)
but cant people above 35 years old just stay there all the way until retirement? considering the job stability and the slightly above average pay?

Got.. those uncles and aunties still around mah... no worry, they "beaten till dead still won't go" :)

Unregistered 20-06-2013 05:09 PM

salary for fresh graduate engineer that came in this month:

with ns
1st class = 4270
2nd upper = 3970
2nd lower = 3770

Unregistered 20-06-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38894)
salary for fresh graduate engineer that came in this month:

year 2013
with ns
1st class = 4270
2nd upper = 3970
2nd lower = 3770

Good info!!!

you also engineer at DSTA??

year 2007
with ns
1st class = 3880
2nd upper = 3580
2nd lower = 3280

Unregistered 21-06-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38894)
salary for fresh graduate engineer that came in this month:

with ns
1st class = 4270
2nd upper = 3970
2nd lower = 3770

apparently the diff between 1st class and 2nd is 100. one of my friends (first class hons student) is offered 4070 recently.

Unregistered 21-06-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38956)
apparently the diff between 1st class and 2nd is 100. one of my friends (first class hons student) is offered 4070 recently.

your friend seems to be underpaid. because 2 years ago the salary for first class with ns is 4180 in the forum.

is your friend a girl or guy? because maybe you have to factor in the ns portion?

if it is really 4070, den it is kinda unfair for the first class hon ppl.

Unregistered 21-06-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38960)
your friend seems to be underpaid. because 2 years ago the salary for first class with ns is 4180 in the forum.

is your friend a girl or guy? because maybe you have to factor in the ns portion?

if it is really 4070, den it is kinda unfair for the first class hon ppl.

I dun think that the salary for 2 yr ago is accurate.

Yes, he is a guy. Think that there is an downward/smaller adjustment on the first class hons salary because according to my another friend, dso is also offering about the same salary for first class hons with diff of around 100 between 1 and 2.1. Maybe to attract more 2nd class grad?

Hope that some other first class hons from dsta can verify?

Unregistered 22-06-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38894)
salary for fresh graduate engineer that came in this month:

with ns
1st class = 4270
2nd upper = 3970
2nd lower = 3770

me 2nd lower from NTU, with 4-5years in aviation industry.........if join as air system engineer, how much basic salary should I expected(or ask for)??

Also how much is the annual increment for average "C" performer? how many % increment?

if promote from grade 6 engineer to grade 7 senior engineer, how much is the promotion increment? how many %?

Unregistered 23-06-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by unregistered (Post 38978)
me 2nd lower from ntu, with 4-5years in aviation industry.........if join as air system engineer, how much basic salary should i expected(or ask for)??

Also how much is the annual increment for average "c" performer? How many % increment?

If promote from grade 6 engineer to grade 7 senior engineer, how much is the promotion increment? How many %?

4800 ~ 5200

Unregistered 23-06-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38894)
salary for fresh graduate engineer that came in this month:

with ns
1st class = 4270
2nd upper = 3970
2nd lower = 3770

Serious !?!? DSTA paying so much for a fresh grad? Can anyone please verify this info? I'm not trying to doubt his credibility just that i am quite amazed. (No offense)

Unregistered 23-06-2013 07:51 PM

Salary pays grades in dsta
 
Wonder if anyone can enlighten on the different pay grades in dsta?

Unregistered 23-06-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 39005)
Serious !?!? DSTA paying so much for a fresh grad? Can anyone please verify this info? I'm not trying to doubt his credibility just that i am quite amazed. (No offense)

well someone did say 1st class was paid 4070.

But then again the previous known starting salary for fresh grade was: 4180, 3880,3680.
so it could still be quite accurate considering a slight increase in pay.

so.. we are still not sure unless more people come in to verify.

Nhah 26-06-2013 06:06 PM

I got 2.5 year exp in Oracle DBA with NS with private degree. OCP with knowledge in business analytics. Saw in career gov with openings for dba, how much shld I expect for basic pay? 4300~4800? I think i can try to apply for senior post..thx

Unregistered 29-06-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 39005)
Serious !?!? DSTA paying so much for a fresh grad? Can anyone please verify this info? I'm not trying to doubt his credibility just that i am quite amazed. (No offense)

Yes, it is accurate.
DSTA has always paid well.
The staff bear a lot of responsibilities.

Unregistered 29-06-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 39239)
Yes, it is accurate.
DSTA has always paid well.
The staff bear a lot of responsibilities.

Hi there, do you mind elaborate more on their responsibilities? It seems like a work balanced jobs as described by the past forumers. (8-5 no OT, flexible working hour, leave and etc)

Unregistered 30-06-2013 11:24 AM

Official working hours is 8.30 to 6. But most people arrive between 8.45 - 9.15, depending on your office culture. and usually people leave right on the dot at 6.

breaks are not officially given, so it still depends on your office's culture. I've seen people going for:

Breakfast from 9 to 10.
Lunch from 12 to 1330.
Tea break from 3.30 to 4.30.

There are many different kinds of leaves given, often organised events that promote family life. But there are many scholars in there.

you have to be really cautious with how to safekeep all the confidential documents well (not leaving them unattended), laptops issued should never be lost, and the way you handle emails also have to be well managed (you cannot send out things without thinking).

All in all, i believe dsta is a good place to work, people seems to be happy as shown on their face.

Unregistered 30-06-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 39257)
Official working hours is 8.30 to 6. But most people arrive between 8.45 - 9.15, depending on your office culture. and usually people leave right on the dot at 6.

breaks are not officially given, so it still depends on your office's culture. I've seen people going for:

Breakfast from 9 to 10.
Lunch from 12 to 1330.
Tea break from 3.30 to 4.30.

There are many different kinds of leaves given, often organised events that promote family life. But there are many scholars in there.

you have to be really cautious with how to safekeep all the confidential documents well (not leaving them unattended), laptops issued should never be lost, and the way you handle emails also have to be well managed (you cannot send out things without thinking).

All in all, i believe dsta is a good place to work, people seems to be happy as shown on their face.

Thanks for the info! DSTA seems like a good env to work in but have to keep in mind of confidential docs and regulations.

How about the career prospect and merit increment?(Previous posts mentioned that no one stay beyond 30-35 years old, turnover rate so high is it due to career prospect issue?)

May i know the "time-frame" for each promotion? From what i gathered in previous post it uses a diff scheme as MX, am i right?

Thanks in adv !

Unregistered 30-06-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 39262)
Thanks for the info! DSTA seems like a good env to work in but have to keep in mind of confidential docs and regulations.

How about the career prospect and merit increment?(Previous posts mentioned that no one stay beyond 30-35 years old, turnover rate so high is it due to career prospect issue?)

May i know the "time-frame" for each promotion? From what i gathered in previous post it uses a diff scheme as MX, am i right?

Thanks in adv !

For the first 5 years at least, I believe the increment and progress are excellent. You will probably out earn 80% of your peers in pte sector. After the first 5 years or so, your promotion and increment will most likely slow down unless you're a scholar or somehow a high flier. Your renumerations will probably still be quite a fair bit higher than average for your remaining career because of the better start though. This is also why many people will consider a job hop nearing or after their first 5 years. Taking advantage of their relatively high pay to get a good offer from the pte sector. Go ask around regarding CEP and etc, it will give you an idea of what civil and public service careers are typically like.

Unregistered 30-06-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 38961)
I dun think that the salary for 2 yr ago is accurate.

Yes, he is a guy. Think that there is an downward/smaller adjustment on the first class hons salary because according to my another friend, dso is also offering about the same salary for first class hons with diff of around 100 between 1 and 2.1. Maybe to attract more 2nd class grad?

Hope that some other first class hons from dsta can verify?

What I heard is that DSO actually pays quite a bit lesser. They are paying what used to be DSTA's starting salary 3 - 4 yrs back. It might be that my info is outdated though.

Unregistered 30-06-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 39266)
For the first 5 years at least, I believe the increment and progress are excellent. You will probably out earn 80% of your peers in pte sector. After the first 5 years or so, your promotion and increment will most likely slow down unless you're a scholar or somehow a high flier. Your renumerations will probably still be quite a fair bit higher than average for your remaining career because of the better start though. This is also why many people will consider a job hop nearing or after their first 5 years. Taking advantage of their relatively high pay to get a good offer from the pte sector. Go ask around regarding CEP and etc, it will give you an idea of what civil and public service careers are typically like.

could your give some example to illustrate your comment?

let say a fresh grad in 2013, 2nd lower NTU engineering degree with NS join as land system engineer,

starting salary @ $3770

you mention the progression for the 1st 5 years,

2013 - grade 6 (fresh grad) = $3770
2014 - wat grade = $xxxx
2015 - wat grade = $xxxx
2016 - wat grade = $xxxx
2017 - wat grade = $xxxx
2018 - wat grade = $xxxx (end of 5th year)

could you pls fill up the info, also include any promotion like in 2015 or 2016 after 2-3 years to senior engineer?? Pls assume this guy to be "average" performer throughout the 1st 5 years.

Also, for "average" performer, how much is the annual package?

Is it 12month + 1aws + minimum 3months bonus = making a total of 16mth annual package, for "average performer" a norm??

please advise.
Thank you

Unregistered 01-07-2013 10:48 PM

upzzzzz :)

Unregistered 03-07-2013 02:51 PM

anyone applied for the position of corporate communications in dsta?


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