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Old 28-08-2022, 02:00 PM
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Can I ask for some advice as a new mopex in ops (started jul this year). I have 3 main enquiry.

1) is it true that sometimes our consult is purely just about helping navigating the healthcare system or administrative in nature? (Given that we are the only route to subsidized care). A few examples
A) I had a healthcare worker (fellow hospital doctor) who did a screening test and ferritin is noted to be high. He said that he have already liased with the relevant specialist (haem and gastro) and just need the referral straight (so he can subsidized care)
B) another pt brought her 4 year son to see gp for abdominal pain. Gp referred him to paeds Surg as he found a left inguinal hernia. I examined pt, I don't find any hernia and the abdominal pain has resolved.

These are 2 examples I can remember among many others who come asking for referral because their gp told them to. Pt came as they want subsidized care.
Another huge group is those pts coming to ask for screening (e.g fbc/kidney function, left, tft, etc) even though they have NO symptoms.

Just checking in such cases, do we simply acede to their request, or do we have to reassess the cases ourselves?

2) this is regarding clinical consultation and our documentation. Do we have to clinically assess/examine and document all the presenting complaints that patient mentioned? (As most pple know ops pts tend to have multiple complaints). For example,
A) pt come in review of their chronic disease which is stable, but towards the end of consult complained about knee pain with no preceding trauma. He can still walk normally and there is no swelling/effusion from a quick glance.
- Can I just reassure him with some painkillers, basic advice about activity modification (as most common cause is OA), and return advice. (But without taking a full history and doing a full knee exam, and without documenting anything about the knee pain)

B) other typical case is urti pts for example. Most of them complain about fever, headache, and generalized tiredness/lethargy. Most cases, we can attribute that to the urti and the viral illness itself. In such cases, are we still expected to do a Neuro exam, take a brief history of the headache, and document all these down? And of course the tiredness as well, taking a hx will probably take up at least 5-6 min lol.
- to be fair, most documentation is templated nowadays, but definitely the consult will be longer if we start doing these things.

3) this is about documentation of return advice.
- do people actually write down exactly all the things they tell pt to look out for
- I usually just write "return if symptoms not better/worsening, unwell or any concerns/any parental concerns (for kids)
- I assume this should cover most things from a medicolegal perspective right? (Of course depending on the acute complaint, the exact thing I tell pt can differ, but there is no way to create a template for all the specific return advice)

Sorry know it's a bit strange to ask these here, but I find it a bit awkward to ask these questions to my hod/seniors in ops, especially since I don't know them well. You are usually alone in a consult room in ops, there is no reg like in hospital setting (usually in hospital, mos like myself direct these queries to the team reg)
1A) the fellow doc is hypochondriac. Ferritin high then high, not likely hematochromatosis. What’s the iron sat? He Caucasian? Don’t think is chronic inflammation too. But nvm we accede to his request.

1B) this case i will refer. But coz is my paeds exp insufficient. Coz 4 years old I’m not 100% confident abt undescended testes etc. in view that i do not good experience in young kid hernia. Nv touch enuff young balls. Better be safe than sorry. Coz another GP say got, so need a specialist to clear.

FBC baseline and a baseline Creatinine not unreasonable. You can also screen for DM and LDL cholesterol. I mean because ops lab tests prices aren’t really that subsidised. So ya you got money to pay, we do Lor.

Headache from viral illness is common. Unless got red flags, altered consciousness, neck pain, photophobia kind, and young age.

Old age is the slurred speech, asymmetry or that gut feeling lah. Hahaha we got queue to clear but musnt miss things.


If prescribe painkiller need to examine abit.
Cause the flow is examination —> diagnosis —> prescription
If you give prescription need to examine

Alternatively is don’t document, ask him come back again for another visit if pain doesn’t resolve. I usually will do a quick palpating, extend the knee, feel for crepitus. If chronic like a few months, then give some painkiller *5 days max, return advice and lose weight


3) we must clear queue. So just write return advice given haha. But overall is your attitude do you think patient will complain. If you think he will complain, you must write more.
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