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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Lol this was such a juicy thread.
For 2.2k guy: just take it for now. As mentioned by several people, fresh grads have little to no bargaining power so you can probably forget about asking for an increase. From HR's point of view, internships and whatever short stints you previously had basically amount to 0 work experience. That said, it's sad that 2.2 is going to be your starting rate (i empathize, i really do) but a start somewhere is better than going nowhere.
You should also consider that the economy is not in your favor right now (as much as i wish it was), and everyone else is also starting at a dismal market rate, so you can use this as some sort of consolation that you're not the only one being low balled i guess...
NOT TO SAY that degrees are worthless now, but in this economy, yes they have lost much of their MARKET VALUE so don't expect to have employers match up to previous market rates.
As for the other fresh grads that had a bone to pick with the comment which set off this contention, take it w a pinch of salt because there is honestly some merit to be gleaned from whatever he said about fresh grads' bargaining power and worth in the workforce.
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This is the asshole who said what has to be said. This is not in response to the quoted comment, responding this way makes it easier to keep track of the conversation.
I have made 2 posts so far regarding this matter and this will be my last one. My final comments on this matter are as follows:
(1) There is no longer any point in continuing this conversation. The existing difference in opinion is occasioned by diametrically opposing belief systems. Neither side is willing to consider that the other might be correct in their analysis of the current job market. Only time will tell. I will leave it to do its job.
(2) I think the best way to survive this crisis is to take a socialist slant towards our expectations of life - Everyone takes a cut today (trust me when i say it is really bad in some circles) so that we can prosper together tomorrow. My issue is not that taxpayer money is being used to support the traineeships (which is why it was a by the way point) - my issue is that despite knowing that FOUR budgets have been released this year resulting is god know how much deficit to the country's budget - there is still a selfish streak of "i deserve more because im a grad and have done internships". Everyone is suffering, having a degree and having done internships does not make you special. Take a hit now. You will be rewarded when the economy recovers. This is why one part of cs bonus is tagged to the performance of the economy.
(3) My hope is that all fresh grads can find jobs because that means you can kick start the recovery process by contributing to society in the form of your taxes...and of course being financially responsible for yourself so you don't become a burden to the state. If you can find a 3.5k/4.6k job - even better, you contribute more to the recovery of the economy. I hope all of you find your 3.5k/4.6k jobs. Like i said, only time will tell.