Deputy Director or Director - Civil Service earns?

[lazyplane]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

CS actually pays quite well for the real level they are at.

I have a CS friend with AD title, he keep complaining underpaid compare to pte sector. But thats because he compare himself to a AD out in pte sector when he is actually more like a AM job in real life.

Saw this thread. I am not in CS but i sense this a general service expectation level in Singapore where no one will be willing to discuss issues with an staff given a title of Assistant Manager in Singapore.

Banks also have the same issue for their front line staff serving customers.

Originally Posted by lazyplane

Saw this thread. I am not in CS but i sense this a general service expectation level in Singapore where no one will be willing to discuss issues with an staff given a title of Assistant Manager in Singapore.

Banks also have the same issue for their front line staff serving customers.

True but lets be real here, how many % of the public sector "directors" actually are front line and serve customer directly regularly, maybe 5% max?

It has more to do with people these days want to get promoted fast and look good in CV and when they involve in social setting. Obviously nobody can keep paying and promoting normal average staff, so HR just come up with fake titles and name cards to satisfy them lor.

My side is standard if u have a degree come in straight away manager, 2-3 years later become senior manager and another 2-3 years later become assistant director.

It is funny that the elite refer to themselves as Administrative Officers while the rest of the peasant non-scholars call themselves Directors.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There are really too many management level people in our educational institutions.

Is there a need for so many "strategists" and thinkers? I think more doers are needed instead.

Educational institutions like polys are non-profit and there's always a market (students) - any idiot can manage the show under such circumstances.

I tend to agree. I'm from one of the educational institutes and there are too many directors and deputy directors in the organisation - too top heavy I feel. And they are not cheap.

[Hermit]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is funny that the elite refer to themselves as Administrative Officers while the rest of the peasant non-scholars call themselves Directors.

Hahaha, yes.

And the Bosses are called Secretaries.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So can you shed some light on what a DD's pay in the civil service might be? According to the civil service pay scale (2011), a DD post is a super scale post earning from $10.5k to $14.5k. I expect it to be higher now with adjustment.

I don't mind the fancy title at all with this kind of pay

Job grade: MX9 (Superscale)
Job title: Deputy Director, Director
Pay scale: S$10,580 – S$14,550 / S$14,551 – S$16,540

Job grade: MX10
Job title: Assistant Director, Deputy Director
Pay scale: S$6,350 – S$9,050 / S$9,051 – S$10,400

Job grade: MX11
Job title: Manager, Assistant Director
Pay scale: S$4,100 – S$6,160 / S$6,161 – S$7,190

Job grade: MX12
Job title: Assistant Manager, Manager
Pay scale: S$2,550 – S$5,130

So has this scale changed now since 2011?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So has this scale changed now since 2011?

Of cuz lah. there was a salary adjustment last year. and an additional mx11a tier was introduced.

Great, can share the latest scale ... been trying to find it but can't seem to track it. Is there any adjustment to the salary based on the 2011 scheme? Have the CS adjusted the salary for all the grades?

In 2012, the salary range in the table were adjusted with an increase of 10% for grade 12 and 11, and 5% for grade 10. The salary for all three grades went up again, this time by 5%, in 2014. From these market adjustments, one can guess the latest salary range.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Great, can share the latest scale ... been trying to find it but can't seem to track it. Is there any adjustment to the salary based on the 2011 scheme? Have the CS adjusted the salary for all the grades?