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Old 04-02-2012, 10:16 PM
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GLC and stat board are not civil service. stat board is public service. if you still don't know the difference, go and google.
Hi, I'm just another lurker; not to offend you or anyone else, but it seems there CAN be no difference, according to wikipedia: Civil service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But in Singapore's case, you are right that Statutory Boards are part of the "Public" Service AND NOT part of the "Civil" Service (which also includes the elite "Administrative" Service, among other "services"), although the "Civil" Service is still part of the "Public" Service! haha

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"4. What is the difference between Ministries and Statutory Boards? Are statutory boards considered part of the Singapore Civil Service?

The Singapore Public Service employs some 127,000 public officers working in 15 Ministries, more than 50 Statutory Boards and 9 Organs of State. Within the Public Service is the Civil Service, comprising more than 76,000 officers working in the Ministries and Organs of state. They work in various schemes of service, including the Administrative Service, legal, education, police, civil defence as well as other generic schemes. Statutory boards (such as HDB, CPF Board, IRAS, etc) have their own recruitment and human resource management policies. They are legally distinct and independent employers from the Civil Service."

Singapore has such a wonderful Public/Civil/Administrative "Service", doesn't it? haha

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anyone from other schemes such as economists or legal schemes?

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Hi, I'm just another lurker; not to offend you or anyone else, but it seems there CAN be no difference, according to wikipedia: Civil service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But in Singapore's case, you are right that Statutory Boards are part of the "Public" Service AND NOT part of the "Civil" Service (which also includes the elite "Administrative" Service, among other "services"), although the "Civil" Service is still part of the "Public" Service! haha

PSD - FAQs

"4. What is the difference between Ministries and Statutory Boards? Are statutory boards considered part of the Singapore Civil Service?

The Singapore Public Service employs some 127,000 public officers working in 15 Ministries, more than 50 Statutory Boards and 9 Organs of State. Within the Public Service is the Civil Service, comprising more than 76,000 officers working in the Ministries and Organs of state. They work in various schemes of service, including the Administrative Service, legal, education, police, civil defence as well as other generic schemes. Statutory boards (such as HDB, CPF Board, IRAS, etc) have their own recruitment and human resource management policies. They are legally distinct and independent employers from the Civil Service."

Singapore has such a wonderful Public/Civil/Administrative "Service", doesn't it? haha
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admin service is a scheme of service for goodness sake. it is not the same kind of classification as per public/civil service.

the different schemes of service include foreign, management executive, intel, uniformed, information, legal, economic, admin amongst others.

thanks also for citing wikipedia, it is indeed very 'authoritative'.

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admin service is a scheme of service for goodness sake. it is not the same kind of classification as per public/civil service.
Yes, I understand; but actually, my point was that all these different names for different kinds of "Services" can be confusing to some people sometimes, which is why I was being a bit sarcastic! haha
Especially since many of these so-called Public/Civil/Administrative "Servants" seem to dictate more than serve! haha
And even if they do serve, most of the time, they are just serving their immediate superiors and not the "public"... maybe they are serving the public in some invisible way, but how can they expect most people to believe that is true when most people don't even know them?
Anyway, it's none of my business, and I have no intention (and no ability anyway) of changing the status quo; I was just making my own observations, that's all.


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thanks also for citing wikipedia, it is indeed very 'authoritative'.
It is not, and I never said it is; but sometimes, it can be a good reference, or at least a starting point, for some people to learn new things from.

Some articles in Wikipedia certainly contain misinformation, but in the case of "Civil Service", it is true that at least in some countries, "Civil Service" and "Public Service" can mean the same thing.

Even in Singapore, according to the above-mentioned "PSD - FAQs":

"Within the Public Service is the Civil Service..."

so that means that ALL Civil Servants are Public Servants, but NOT all Public Servants are Civil Servants.

In other words, someone in the Civil Service is also ALWAYS in the Public Service, and someone in the Public Service CAN also be in the Civil Service, while others in the Public Service may not necessarily be in the Civil Service.
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Since uniformed officers are part of civil service, why are they left out in the recent pay increment??
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Since uniformed officers are part of civil service, why are they left out in the recent pay increment??
Not that they are left out. But because there are so many schemes in the civil service, such as uniformed and non-uniformed, the market adjustments are implemented in phases.
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so that means that ALL Civil Servants are Public Servants, but NOT all Public Servants are Civil Servants.

In other words, someone in the Civil Service is also ALWAYS in the Public Service, and someone in the Public Service CAN also be in the Civil Service, while others in the Public Service may not necessarily be in the Civil Service.
Exactly. That was what the previous poster meant, that the terms are not one and the same.
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Since uniformed officers are part of civil service, why are they left out in the recent pay increment??
Rather than demanding an answer/justification here, you should go talk to your HR.
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It is strange that there is no official announcement or media release for the recent market adjustment. I had read about reports of market adjustments in previous years though.
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Rather than demanding an answer/justification here, you should go talk to your HR.
certain people have a strong sense of entitlement. not only talking about previous poster.

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