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25-02-2017, 11:29 AM
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actually quite common. in some industries like banking, pharma & frontier IT many can hit >20k in their mid 30s.
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The original poster is asking 1) Average Performer & 2) Degree Holder. "Average" would mean 50% cut-off and "degree" I assume, its bachelor's degree, no higher (i.e. Master's or PHD).
I find it extremely hard to believe >50% with bachelor's qualification can earn >20k per month by the time they hit their 40s, regardless of industry.
Of course, I can't deny that some can make it into this income bracket on average qualifications but these are certainly not your average performers.
By the two parameters given above by the original poster, I think it is extremely rare, albeit not impossible.
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25-02-2017, 11:53 AM
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I find this sort of average performance talk quite silly. In most larger organizations, it's mostly politics & connections that count.
If you look around, most of the senior execs are average performers who manage to play the game well. The world is full of people with good work performance hantataki in some mid level mgt job.
Look at your own boss or big boss, how many of them are actually there because they are the best performers in your department? In short it is very possible for average performers to move up & make high level salaries, but you have to know how to play the game.
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25-02-2017, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I find this sort of average performance talk quite silly. In most larger organizations, it's mostly politics & connections that count.
If you look around, most of the senior execs are average performers who manage to play the game well. The worlds full of people with good work performance hantataki in some mid level mgt job.
Look at your own boss or big boss, how many of them are actually there because they are the best performers in your department? In short it is very possible for average performers to move up & make high level salaries, but you have to know how to play the game.
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I believe the average performance would just mean normal degree holders. If you are able to earn more than $20k/month, you are definitely performing higher than average in terms of technical, communications etc. By age 40, all types of degree holders, should be around 10k per month all in.
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25-02-2017, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I find this sort of average performance talk quite silly. In most larger organizations, it's mostly politics & connections that count.
If you look around, most of the senior execs are average performers who manage to play the game well. The world is full of people with good work performance hantataki in some mid level mgt job.
Look at your own boss or big boss, how many of them are actually there because they are the best performers in your department? In short it is very possible for average performers to move up & make high level salaries, but you have to know how to play the game.
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Not that I disagree, but performance vs politics is not same weightage for all levels. Normally those junior/low-mid type of positions earning <15k still takes into account work performance. The mid-level types like 15-30k usually politics more important and work performance secondary. Senior level types >30k I agree is really just politics and nothing else.
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25-02-2017, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I believe the average performance would just mean normal degree holders. If you are able to earn more than $20k/month, you are definitely performing higher than average in terms of technical, communications etc. By age 40, all types of degree holders, should be around 10k per month all in.
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I doubt so on the 10k by 40 years old figure, unless by average degree holders you mean only proper local unis like NUS/ SMU/ NTU then I agree.
Fact is majority of the degree holders out there are private or lower tier overseas uni degrees, I'm very sure these guys as a group on average are not making 10k by 40. Based on my past exp as a recruiter, the typical non-local uni deg 40 years old person is usually some sort of minor department manager or professional in smaller companies making ~5k+.
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25-02-2017, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I find this sort of average performance talk quite silly. In most larger organizations, it's mostly politics & connections that count.
If you look around, most of the senior execs are average performers who manage to play the game well. The world is full of people with good work performance hantataki in some mid level mgt job.
Look at your own boss or big boss, how many of them are actually there because they are the best performers in your department? In short it is very possible for average performers to move up & make high level salaries, but you have to know how to play the game.
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Dont forget that those who know how to sweetalk and carry balls are skilled too, they are not average. HR & PR skills are an important part on rising through the rank and files.
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25-02-2017, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I doubt so on the 10k by 40 years old figure, unless by average degree holders you mean only proper local unis like NUS/ SMU/ NTU then I agree.
Fact is majority of the degree holders out there are private or lower tier overseas uni degrees, I'm very sure these guys as a group on average are not making 10k by 40. Based on my past exp as a recruiter, the typical non-local uni deg 40 years old person is usually some sort of minor department manager or professional in smaller companies making ~5k+.
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For pte deg those that can move on to manager & make >5k already consider lucky, some of those who start work with diploma and then study deg pt when they are mid career even worse. Many found their deg offer no increase in pay and some even end up starting from bottom exec 3k level when change career because companies dont think their previous exp is relevant.
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25-02-2017, 07:59 PM
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For pte deg those that can move on to manager & make >5k already consider lucky, some of those who start work with diploma and then study deg pt when they are mid career even worse. Many found their deg offer no increase in pay and some even end up starting from bottom exec 3k level when change career because companies dont think their previous exp is relevant.
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The standards of most non-local degree are so low that almost impossible to fail as long as you hand in assignments on time. Employers know that as well and of course not willing to pay more unless you got real value add to the business. Only in public sector when its not their own $$$ then they have this illogical policy of paying based on academic qualification and adding few hundred dollars for every class of honors regardless of whether there is any value add.
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26-02-2017, 11:12 AM
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The standards of most non-local degree are so low that almost impossible to fail as long as you hand in assignments on time. Employers know that as well and of course not willing to pay more unless you got real value add to the business. Only in public sector when its not their own $$$ then they have this illogical policy of paying based on academic qualification and adding few hundred dollars for every class of honors regardless of whether there is any value add.
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dun be insulting & look down on others. got nus deg doesnt mean you can do the work better.
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26-02-2017, 11:41 AM
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The standards of most non-local degree are so low that almost impossible to fail as long as you hand in assignments on time. Employers know that as well and of course not willing to pay more unless you got real value add to the business. Only in public sector when its not their own $$$ then they have this illogical policy of paying based on academic qualification and adding few hundred dollars for every class of honors regardless of whether there is any value add.
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Take your opinion, shove it up your a**, then sew your a** shut.
Thank you.
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