Data Analytics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

lannjiao lah. tell me which ministry or stat board is this.

No need to be rude.

What are the typical questions for data scientist roles?
I don't think they will test you on statistics or programming knowledge? Cause it should be given that they r known...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What are the typical questions for data scientist roles?
I don't think they will test you on statistics or programming knowledge? Cause it should be given that they r known...

The top companies who are serious about data analytics will. I'm talking about companies like FB, Google, etc. (From personal experience) they will ask you questions from 3 verticals. Won't spoonfeed you here. If you can't find out on your own, you probably are not good anough in the first place

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What are the typical questions for data scientist roles?
I don't think they will test you on statistics or programming knowledge? Cause it should be given that they r known...

Just think about your question for a minute. You are employing someone for their technical skills. And you see a one liner of his resume: "Skills: R". Will they:

1) Take your word for it since it is a 'given'
2) Put you through a 50 minute technical test

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The top companies who are serious about data analytics will. I'm talking about companies like FB, Google, etc. (From personal experience) they will ask you questions from 3 verticals. Won't spoonfeed you here. If you can't find out on your own, you probably are not good anough in the first place

This is what I tried to allude to earlier but no one seems to get me. Now, I don't know about the data analytics roles some guy earlier mentioned where the focus is not about the HARD SCIENCE, but about the experiment design. But to me, here is my experience.

If you are coming in with at most two years of experience, my take is that YOU are going to be the guy coding and researching on the computer 8 hours a day. You'll use C#, R or Java and regression and forecasting for your job. You'll take orders for the managers who are the ones that design the experiments.

You can avoid my point all you want. But for all those who want data analytics, are you such a person? Do you like statistics? Did you just copy homework? Can you talk about the nuances of statistics for an hour?

If you can't and a company hires you, then I really wonder what analytics goes in inside that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is very common to see certain engineering and data opening in CS/SB hitting above 100k inc bonus within 2-3 years. Some people really frog in the well here.

I seriously doubt it is common for those working in CS/SB to be earning more than 100k in less than 2/3years. You may check other threads. Secondly, you can use becnhmark your salary tool in salary.sg to check 100k salary at young age group, at age 25-29, having 100k per annum salary, it is TOP 2.1%. If it is common for CS/SB to earn above 100k per annum, this % would be much higher. Not to mention, there are Bankers, Lawyers, Doctors etc are supposedly higher paid.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just think about your question for a minute. You are employing someone for their technical skills. And you see a one liner of his resume: "Skills: R". Will they:

1) Take your word for it since it is a 'given'
2) Put you through a 50 minute technical test



This is what I tried to allude to earlier but no one seems to get me. Now, I don't know about the data analytics roles some guy earlier mentioned where the focus is not about the HARD SCIENCE, but about the experiment design. But to me, here is my experience.

If you are coming in with at most two years of experience, my take is that YOU are going to be the guy coding and researching on the computer 8 hours a day. You'll use C#, R or Java and regression and forecasting for your job. You'll take orders for the managers who are the ones that design the experiments.

You can avoid my point all you want. But for all those who want data analytics, are you such a person? Do you like statistics? Did you just copy homework? Can you talk about the nuances of statistics for an hour?

If you can't and a company hires you, then I really wonder what analytics goes in inside that.

Same guy who wrote about FB, Google:

Well you have to understand that most companies are average and not doing hard core data analytics. Government especially. Just check out all the trumpet blowing over the recent events at GovTech. With that said, you can expect that most of the people you find around here will be average as well and do not expect to do hard core stats in their future career. You have to respect that. To each his own la. Don't be so aggressive on a virtual forum haha.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Same guy who wrote about FB, Google:

Well you have to understand that most companies are average and not doing hard core data analytics. Government especially. Just check out all the trumpet blowing over the recent events at GovTech. With that said, you can expect that most of the people you find around here will be average as well and do not expect to do hard core stats in their future career. You have to respect that. To each his own la. Don't be so aggressive on a virtual forum haha.

Okay, sure. Thanks for enlightening me with the truth. Actually, that was actually what I wanted to figure out. How much analytics are these Government / Government sponsored companies doing? And I like how you put it ... 'trumpet blowing'.

I actually had a sense of this where no one seemed to talk further other than the generic term 'statistics', 'data analytics'. Even that previous guy said 'I doN'T think they will test you on statistics' and that everyone just ask how much pay. So it's confirmed that most aren't interested in the science between the analysis.

And that's okay. It's entirely another question altogether on why such an industry exists. Motivated by a buzzword like 'data analytics' yet your company is filled with people who can't handle statistics concepts pass graduate school. What exactly is your product? Even worse, maybe that's why data analytics in Singapore will pass just like how life science did in 2002.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Okay, sure. Thanks for enlightening me with the truth. Actually, that was actually what I wanted to figure out. How much analytics are these Government / Government sponsored companies doing? And I like how you put it ... 'trumpet blowing'.

I actually had a sense of this where no one seemed to talk further other than the generic term 'statistics', 'data analytics'. Even that previous guy said 'I doN'T think they will test you on statistics' and that everyone just ask how much pay. So it's confirmed that most aren't interested in the science between the analysis.

And that's okay. It's entirely another question altogether on why such an industry exists. Motivated by a buzzword like 'data analytics' yet your company is filled with people who can't handle statistics concepts pass graduate school. What exactly is your product? Even worse, maybe that's why data analytics in Singapore will pass just like how life science did in 2002.

This isn't new at all. Most companies/gov just follow buzzwords, wayang and do whatever is trendy. Last time was internet, then become cloud, then big data. Whatever lah.

Important thing is pay. Real difficult things by definition can only be done by top 0.1% of the population meaning small supply and super high pay.

Don't come and BS abt 'specialist' or 'expert' jobs when they cannot even pay 100k for a freshie or 300k for a mid-level professional. So many office job nowadays is fancy title and job description with average pay, because everyone knows that its an average job that any average Joe with average IQ can do.

data science is just another hype la

analytics have always ard for so long then now everyone term themselves as data scientists

these data scientists still need the programmers to come out swee swee data for them to play with...lol.

I like what was said: "Most companies are average and not doing hardcore analytics". IMO, most companies are like that because the bosses don't even know what you are talking about if you show them hardcore stuff.

Anyway, want to post 2 questions here to keep this going: Which field of analytics pays more?
1) Banking
2) Insurance
3) Marketing
4) CS
5) SB
6) Retail
7) Online Sales
8) Telco
9) HR
10) Healthcare

If possible, rank them.

And, which type of profession pays better:
1) Those doing coding and scripting for analyst
2) Those doing business analytics for management
3) Those selling analytical tools
4) Those teaching analytical tools
5) Those building databases and maintaining them

Thanks!