Constituency Manager (People Association)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Job responsibility not as same level as GM or Ops Mgr in private sector but pay wise is definitely among the higher band in excess of $4k basic. I would rather go for a high pay job with lesser responsbility. Call me CM GM or SM its just a title at the end of the day. HR professionals still look at your last drawn before they decide your next package.

The title for Senior CM has been changed to CD (Constituency Director). but just the title changed to director, it's still senior manager of a community club.

nothing to shout about.

I'm also working as a CM (formerly called Asst CM, but now they simply up the designation to CM, but still same lah). Basic 4020 + 450 allowances. Age about 30+ too. Male. Formerly also in MSO division and just managed to get in PA.

Progression? There are some CM work 10-20 years, still CM. And there are some CM work 0.5 years to 3 years, up to Deputy CD and within 5 years become CD.

The pay for Deputy CD is about 5k, i think.

CD may fetch between 5-7k, depending on the years of seniority. Some may be $8k.

Normally, it stays there... as a CD. Very difficult to climb from then onwards because where do you want to go? Not enough posts to promote to. There can only be so much Group CD and Deputy Director (HQ level).

Still need to reserve some posts for scholars leh.

so its better to join in mid career switch then to join as a fresh grad?

my friend joined with 1 yr experience in pvt sector, was offered 2850 + 450 allowance. basically fresh grad pay i would say.

seeing that theres only a few post to be promoted to, eg CD, meaning that he could be stuck with that low pay till 30-40s?

whats the increment like per yr assuming for avg performer?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

so its better to join in mid career switch then to join as a fresh grad?

my friend joined with 1 yr experience in pvt sector, was offered 2850 + 450 allowance. basically fresh grad pay i would say.

seeing that theres only a few post to be promoted to, eg CD, meaning that he could be stuck with that low pay till 30-40s?

whats the increment like per yr assuming for avg performer?

still better to join early. The middle career switch makes one wonder where have all the relevant skills been to - no where. Most people switch in mid career mostly is because no other place to go. Either education not specialised enough or didn't really have good skills somewhere.

A friend of mine got C grade which is what most 70% people are getting. Basic 3250. Increment about 110. He just joined 6 mths. So prorated. Hence, he could be getting 220 based on a year. In his case, he could be taking around 6%.

I guage maybe 5% get A, 20% get B, 70% get C, and last 5% get those D, E, F, etc. My pure guess only.

But C is the most avg one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

so its better to join in mid career switch then to join as a fresh grad?

my friend joined with 1 yr experience in pvt sector, was offered 2850 + 450 allowance. basically fresh grad pay i would say.

seeing that theres only a few post to be promoted to, eg CD, meaning that he could be stuck with that low pay till 30-40s?

whats the increment like per yr assuming for avg performer?

how old is your friend now? which degree did he get? got honours?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

how old is your friend now? which degree did he get? got honours?

24, DL deg from sim.. no honours..

1 year cannot really count as very long working experience. and no hons... meaning to say ur friend is in RMIT. every hons grade is counted.

but if can, find other job where can gain valuable working experience and the skills set are transferrable.

like most of the jobs in other places, you need to please the grassroots leaders, external customers, internal bosses, etc.

But unlike other places where in the event you offend any one of these stated above, you can't go elsewhere, esp if you are of a certain age and worked at PA for some years. Where can you go to after staying there for so long?

In other places, if you offended someone or quarrel with your boss, you still have skills' set to carry you to other places. Just send resume or get contacts from your customers and still can find. Because your experience adds value. Even if you are of a certain age in other places, if you are in senior management, you still can move.

But in PA, since most of the people are stuck at middle management, after some years if you quarrel with your boss or gana sabo by your subordinates, there's not much avenue to move.

So better think twice or thrice... or 4 times.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

still better to join early. The middle career switch makes one wonder where have all the relevant skills been to - no where. Most people switch in mid career mostly is because no other place to go. Either education not specialised enough or didn't really have good skills somewhere.

A friend of mine got C grade which is what most 70% people are getting. Basic 3250. Increment about 110. He just joined 6 mths. So prorated. Hence, he could be getting 220 based on a year. In his case, he could be taking around 6%.

I guage maybe 5% get A, 20% get B, 70% get C, and last 5% get those D, E, F, etc. My pure guess only.

But C is the most avg one.

but if u join early, the skills/experiences are not transferable, next time if u are planning a career switch, theres not many places to switch to.. probably only general admin field..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

but if u join early, the skills/experiences are not transferable, next time if u are planning a career switch, theres not many places to switch to.. probably only general admin field..

Most likely the private sector will not even hire you in because your salary will be too high if you stay too long in civil service... but you don't have any useful skills.... If you're lucky, they might just offer you fresh grad salary at $2800.. And that is if you're not too old... Saw a lot of such cases who just did admin in the civil service...

I have no experience with PA, but from a 3rd party POV it seems a lot of PA Managers and Directors here have a very strange view of what the markets outside are paying for Managers and Directors...

Manager at 4k and Director at 6k/7k is definitely not the norm outside. In many companies 7k will not even qualify as Manager much less Director. It seems that some people working in PA think the pay is very generous and in excess of their job scope!? And we even have people drawing 4k think they are GM...Weird...

Originally Posted by fixated

In many companies 7k will not even qualify as Manager much less Director. It seems that some people working in PA think the pay is very generous and in excess of their job scope!? And we even have people drawing 4k think they are GM...Weird...

Agree. I'm a lowly Assistant Manager, with no direct or indirect reports. $7k per month. That makes me a Senior Director at P.A.?